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THE AMERICAN twkkn omens that thet WOULD SEVER GET OUT. Q. Do you Know whether any of the other girls there besides yourself were try Ins to ret ont? A. Nearly every one of hem tried to get out Q. Do you know ot any of them that tried to and wtre caught? A. Yea, eir. Q. Can you te" any of their names A. One was Anui Dupre and one was Josle Anderson M one was Leona. . Q, Well, did you try to get out teore than this" nee? JL Tes, sir. Q. Was it lWore or after that time when you rot out? A. Oh, it was before and After. Q. Well, who helped you to get out if any one? A. Mrs. O'Donnell. Q. What war dd she assist you. how did she help you? A. She told me 1t I wonldn t run away I wouldn't never get out; that Sister Zephrlne had told her hundreds of times, that 1 would never r-t out. If I didn't run away I would never get out Q. Well, did you and she lay any plans to get out A. , Yes, sir. Q. What plan? A. She told me to break through :he glass door if I couldn't get out any other way. Q. And that is when you broke out, is it? A. Ye tfr. , Q. Were all tP floors and win flows bolted and barred there? A. ALL THFJ WINDOWS WERE BAR RED WHERE THE GIRLS WERE. Q. And who cirried the keys? A. The .Bisters. - . Q. Did you evr go outside of that building and enclosure while you were there at all? A. With the sis ters and other girls. O. But I mea- alone? A. No. sir. Q. Whom did they require to go with you? A. Any girls that they would trust. 1 Q. Well, when you left the House of the Good Shepherd the last time when was that? A. In February. Q. What year? A. 1897. Q. Now, when you went into that place, did you have any clothes? A. Yes, sir. Q. How many dresses did you have, do you remember? A. I had a cou ple of colored dresses and two wool en dresses. Q. And did you have underwear? A. Tes, sir. Q. Did you have more than one pair of shoes? A. One pair of shoes. Q. Any hat? A. Yes, sir, I had two. Q. What kind .' A. I had a winter hat and a summer hat. . Q. Now. durlnp the time that you were in there did you wear these lothes? A. Yes, sir. q. well, now murhT A. I wore my own clothes right along. Q. Well, were they pretty well worn out, or hadn't you worn them out? A. Well, t had worn them ont. Q. How abo'it your shoes? A. Well, they Bought me a couple of pairs during the time. Q. What kind of shoes? A. Oh, low shoes. Q. Is that all that you remember that they bought for you? A. Shoes is all I can remember. Q. Now. when you got out. wHaT clothes dirt you liave to wear? A. I hid an old black skirt when I came out. , Q. What underwear? A. The un derwear of my own. Q. What condition was It In? Was it worn out or otherwise? A. They were pretty well worn. Q. What kind of shoes? A. I had" n the same low shoes they gave me. Q. What kind of a hat? A. I ha5 on a little hat I made myself. Q. WELL NOW. HOW ABOUT "BED BUGS OUT THERE? A. THE TiEDS WERE JUST LOADED WITH BED BUGS. Q. How about the walls, the walls of the building? Were there any on them. A. Yes, sir. Q. Did that continue all the time that you were out there? Were the bugs plentiful there all the time you were there? A. All the while I was there; I couldn't sleep nights. Q. Was any doctor furnished you while you were ;n there? A. No, sir. Q. Were there any doctors, did any of the girls have doctors while you were there, tha you know of? A. I remember see.ng one come through the building, bu I don't know who he was. , Q. Now, who got you out of this place? A. My cousin, Norman Clew ett. q. Do you know what time he came to get you? A. It was in the morning, Q. Well how many days before he got you out? A. He came in the morning, I got out in the afternoon. Q. Do you know whether he was compelled to come more than once or not? Do you know whether he had to come a second time before you could go? A. He had to come the second time. Q. Why didn't vou go out the first time he came? why didn't you leave with him when be came out the first time? A. I went back to get ready, and one of the sisters came over and told me I couldn't go out until the afternoon. I don t know. Q. Do you wast to go back there? Do you want to go back out there? A. No, sir. Q. Are you a Catholic? A. I was brought up a Catholic. Q. You belir.g to the Catholic ehureh? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now the rrlnress said that Sun days you had a chance to read. What did you do on Sundays? Just com mence in the morning and tell all you had to do. A. We had to go to mass Sunday morning. Q. What time? A. About half past 6. Then we would come home and have our breakfast. Then we would straighten up the class-room and then we would have to sit in ranks there the mother superior was "-omlng in. Q. What time would she get in? A. About 10 or half past 10. Q. Well, then what did you do? A. And then if she didn't come, why we would move the chairs out and WE COULD DANCE ALL DAY. Q. If she did come what would you do? A. When she came? Q. Yes? A. We had to sit In ranks until she came in. Q. Then what? A. And then we all have to .'Stand up, when she would come hi, and then when she would come inside the room we would all have to get down -on our knees and Jier blessing. Q. And then what? A. Then she would go up to the throne, where he has a great big chair, and wc were supposed to come around her and get down on our knees and get her b lesslng. Q. And then what did she do? A. We would have to stay there until she went out. Q. Did they ever allow you to read any newspaper at any time? A. No, ir. ... O. DM they allow you wnat noas did they allow you to read? A. Oh. they had some little books In there. kind of cupboard where mey Kept a few books, prayer books and all kinds. Mother St Zephrine (Magglne lie ) sworn on behalf of the de fendants, testified. By Mr. Clapp. Q. Where were you born? A. In Michigan. O. You are now connected with the House of the Good Shepherd in this city? .A Yes. sir. Q. How long have you neen con nected with the house? a. i am permanently in St. Paul two years last July. . . Q. Well, had you been there oeiore that time? A. 1 was there occastou- ally. . Q. What Is your position mere: A. I am a directress ot tne reiorraa tory one of the reformatory classes. U. Directress or. one oi me re formatories? A. Yes sir. o How lone have you been one. ot the directors of the reformatory? A. I was placed in charge in Octo ber of 1895. . o October of 1895. Do you Know Seline Clewett the plaintiff? Q. Yes, ir O You saw her while in tne House of the Good Shepherd? A. jes. sir. O You say that some of tnem ay up and worked during the evening if they wanted to? A. . yes, sir. Q. How frequently was man a. Perhaps about three nights in a week, as near as I could recall the necessity for it. q. Was any privileges accoraeu them on that acount? A. They re mained in bed in the morning as lone as they well until breakfast; thev came down Just in time for their breakfast. They remained awav from mass and staid in bed. Q. They were excused rrom mass; A. Yes. sir. O. And remained in bed until breakfast time? What time did the girls ordinarily go to bed? What was the usual hour? A. About 9 ocloock or a quarter of 9 Is the usual hour. It was about that time wnen prayers were finished; perhaps earlier than that. The prayers only took about ten minutes. O. How late would the glTls work when they did stay up and work, as vou have testified? A. With the ex ception of two or three times to the best of my knowledge 901 any later than 12. O No later than 12? A No, sir, O. How late on the exceptions, that you know of? A. THEY REMAIN ED. 1 THINK. UNTIL Z UCIAMJK ON ONE OR TWO OCCASIONS. Q. There Is a mother provincial in charge of the House of the Good Shepherd? A. Yes, sir. Q. And which ranks you or tne mother provincial? A. Mother pro vinclal. Q. As I understand it. Seline was there when you came? A. She was there when I came, yes, sir. Q. In the laundry department at that time, was she? A. Yes, sir. O. So that she was in the laun dry department from the time you were there, all the time until she left? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now I will call your attention to the time when .Seline Clewett claims she attempted to break out; and I wish you would state all the facts, both before and after that event. A. The Friday previous to the day she ran away I got some slight hints that she had been making a plan' with a prisoner that was In there. The day after, she went to the chapel and returned alone. I was watching her, but she . didn't know it. She showed no signs of try ing to get away. She passed through the cloister, the same cloister that she broke the window in, and I had no reason to think that it was true. Saturday evening previous to the morning when she ran away, this prisoner with -whom she made the plan came to me after night prayers and said "Mother, for God's sake don't let Loretta run away; she in tends to run ,away tomorrow morn ing." Q. You mean by Lorette? A. Seline. Q. What steps did you 'take to prevent her going? A. I called one of the girls and told her to remain in the hall and if Loretta came through to follow her, and If . she at tempted to break the window to ston her. She did so, Bhe went down the stairs and I followed her. This erirl whom I had told to wait was in the hall, narrow passage, and after Loretta nassed this passage she fol lowed, her, she was at the top of the steps in the cloister, those steps that lead into the main building, and I was down lower in the passage. Lo retta walked along the cloister un til she came to the door (this glass door) she then raised her hand ahe had a brick in her hand, I hadn't eeen it before and I said "don't let her vbreak that window;" and the girl ran. And there was another girl at the other door, or the other end of the cloister, and they both ran. and they got to the fence before I bad time to either say anything- to them or get to the door myself. Af ter I got to the door I called to them to tell her to ccmc back and take off the consecrate dross and she could go. I don't know anything about what fol lowed until Bhe came back. q. This other sl that was at the other end of the cloister, you may tell us whether you knew that ahe was there or wai to be there. A. I hadn't seen her myself, but I think I told some one to tell her to be at the door. She didn't use to go to mass, she was not a Catholic and ehe was not obliged to r, and I told her to be there at least I didn't teli her, but I think I told this other girl to tell her; I am not sura. CROSS-EX A MIN ATION. By Mr. Butts: E Q Do your glasses hurt your ey? A. No, air. Q. Would you have any objection to removing then. A. Ye J, air. Q. Would ')U Just as leave re move them? A. No, I would prefer not to I always wear them. Q. Is It neceaary? A. Yea. Q. The light hurts your eyea? A. Tn. tha light. Q Now, In ice Houa of the Oood Shepherd how many department are there in the main building? A. - With reference to what place? Q. Well, there are four depart ments, are there not? A. Yes, sir. Q. First, there Is the department of the nuns? A. Yea, air. Q. Second, that ot the MaxdaleneiT A. Yea. sir. Q. Third, that of the preservation? A. Yes, tlr. Q. Fourth? A. Of the reformatory sewing department. Q. Now thoe are In the main building? A. Y?i, air. Q. They are separate and distinct? A. Separte and distinct. Q. The doors between those several departments are kept closed, or guard ed, are they not. as a rule? A. Be tween the reformatory? Q. Well, in the main building. They are under different manage ments, are they not? A. They are under different managements. Q. Each has Its superior In that particular department? A. Direct ress. Q. And she is under the mother provincial? A. She is under the mother provincial. Q. Now. do you allow the Mag dalenes to associate with the nuns and go in their department? A. No, they do not. Q. Well, now the other depart ments had their rules, also? A. They had their rules Of course the little children are not kept so strict. Q. Yet you had some rules? A. Yee. certainly. Q. Now these rules In all the de partment except the little children's ciass were strictly enforced as a rule? A. The essentials were strictly en forced. Q. Who had a right to break these rules? A. Do you mean of the mem bers of the reformatory or the in mates of the reformatory? Q Well, I mean of the several de partments. A. Why no one has a right to break the rules that were in force in the reformatory. q. Well, they must be obeyed then? A. Yea air. they must be obeyed Q. That Is an inflexible law out there, that rules must be obeyed, is it not? No audible answer. Q. Did you answer it? A. I ans wered your question. Q. Did you eay yee? A. I said the rulea of the reformatory had to be obeyed of course. Q. Well, what did you do in case they were disobeyed? A. If a rule was disobeyed, I called the one who had committed the fault, told her she had done wrong, reasoned with her, told her what to do again, showed her the wrong of her action. Q. And then what? A. She in most every case promised to do better. q. That is not the question what in mosit every case but what was done if she disobeyed it the second time? A. If she disobeyed it the second time I reproved her. q. And if she disobeyed the third? A. I ADMINISTERED SOME PEN ANCE OR PUNISHMENT. q. Now who was the Judge of what punishment should be administered in your particular department? a. 11 it was anything very serious I spoke of it to my superior. q. If It wasn't so serious, then whtft? A. Well, I used my 1 own Judgment. q. You corrected It. Was It dls cretionary with you to call your su perior's attention to It. or was It the rule? A. Well, it was the rule. q. In every instance? A. Of any Importance. q. Now what are your rules there In your department as to the talking- conversation? A. They had hours of silence. q. What hours of silence. From 9 o'clock to half-past 11. q. At what time of the day? In the morning. q. From 9 o'clock in the morning until half-past 11? A. Yes, supposed to be silent during that time. They prayed and sang hymns. q. Every day? A. Every day. Except that is, every day that they were employed, q. Well let me understand you You say that from 9 o'clock until half-past 11, silence was Imposed, Was that every day? A. Every day. q. Well, now what other hours of silence did you have there? A. From about half-past 1 until 3. q. Then what other hours of si lence? A. I forget to say there was a recess, a short recreation, in the morning, during the lunch. q. How long was that recreation? A. About 10 or 15 minutes. q. They could talk during that time? A. Yes sir. q. Now after 3 o'clock in the aft ernoon what other hours of silence was there. A. It was lunch and rs- creation after. q. How long recreation? A. Well it varies. Sometimes 15 minutes, sometimes 10. q. Well then, after recreation what then as to silence? A. Silence until about half past 5. q. And then what? A. Then they talked. q. For how long? Those who were through with their work? A. Talked from then until supper time. q. When is supper? A. About half past 6, or between 6 and 7 q. Well after supper what then? A. Recreation from then until the bell rang for night prayers. q. When did that bell ring? A. About half past eight q. What time did they get up? A. Weil, before there was very much work they arose in the summer time at 5. q. At half past 5? A. At 6 in tha summer and half past 5 or S in winter generally 6 o'clock. q. And after getting up what was I the first thing done? A. They dressrd and came down to prayer. They aald their prayer q. What then? A. If there was mass, they went to mia q. Well, I understood you yeter day that where they worked the night before they were exniwd from mans in the morning? A. Yes, sir 80 they were. q. Now what were the rule dur ing recreation hour a to conversa tion? A. The rules were that they were to hold no improper conversa tion. q. Well, what was your rule there? Did you make a rule which prescribed hat matters they should or should not talk during these hours of recre ation? A. Certainly. q. What things were tabooed thore? A. There was nothing for bidden except anything bordering on Immorality. Anything that was good or proper they could speak about. q. Was it not a rule that they should not tell their true names? A. They were advised not to tell their tri's name, when they first rame In. q. Was it not a rule that they should not talk about their previous history? A. They were advised not to. There was no rule about It. q. Were they instructed or forbid den to talk about anything else? A. Anything liorderlng on Immorality they were strictly forbidden to speak about q. Was there a rule there that the conversation should all be so loud that it could be overheard? A. No, sir. q. You mean to teli the Jury then. that Inmates there could go Into a corner and whisper among them- elves? A. No. I didn't say any thing of the kind. q. Now was there a rule requir ing the girls or forbidding them to whisper to each other? A. There was a rule that there should be no talking during the time of silence, either whispering or talking aloud of any kind. q. Was there a rule there that they should not whisper at any other time, except In the hearing ot some A. M. Lawton. A. M. Lawton was born in Minne sota near Stillwater on the St Croix river in the year 1857. His parents moved to St. Paul in 1862 where he remained until the present time. In 1895 he associated himself with "The Breeze," a weekly newspaper and through its columns declared against the city of St Paul sending female prisoners to the HoiiBe of the Good Shepherd. He was active in an at tempt to get the legislature to pass a bill prohibiting ' such proceedings. Failing in that he ardently supported the action of James Farmer against the city and the House of the Good Shepherd to restrain the payment of public funds to this place, which was finally decided by the supreme court against the institution. Mr. Lawton through the columns of his paper es poused the cause of many of the In mates of this institution, and pub lished the name of Miss Clewett by which the relatives learned of her whereabouts, and thereby secured her release. Mr. Lawton has contended against great odds but he is fearless and de termined in every effort put forth to accomplish a purpose, and rarely falls of success. sister or some girl In charge of them? A. There was no rule of that kind? q. What was the rule on that? A. There was no rule at all, as far as the recreation time was concerned. except that I at times advised them noc to be whispering in corners. q. You did what was that for? A. Because I knew It should not be done. q. How often did you advise that? A. Whenever I saw it. It depended on who the ones were. q. Your advice there generally went, didn't it? A. It generally went. q. When you gave advice it was equivalent to a command? A. When I told a girl not to do a thing she gen erally obeyed. q. It was immaterial whether you rail it advice or command, it was obeyed? A. I rarely had to com mand. q. You intended that it would be obeyed. A. Certainly. q. And if your advice hadn't been taken, you would have taken steps to see that it was obeyed, wouldn't you? A. I Cerftainly would, if it wasn't obeyed. q. And everybody there under stood that, didn't they? A. Every body understood, when I recommend ed a thing, that I wanted it done. q. Is there a rule there requiring Inmates to speak in no language ex cept the English language? A. Yes, I told them I didn't want any lan guage used but what I understood myself. q. You couldn't understand any other language, so you wanted every thing so you could undertsand it. A. Yes sir. q. Well when you gave the keys to Seline Clewett, It was always for some specific purpose, wasn't it, to do some particular thing? A. It was to let somebody in, if some person knocked at the door, or to let them out; or sometimes to stand at the door. q. 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I couldn't tell you, It was some lime in the day, I don't remem ber. q. Who told you? A. It was this woman who slept In the same room with her. q. With Seline? A. Yes sir. q. Did she tell you what day she was going to make the attempt? A No, she didn't, she simply let me know, In an indirect way, that she was making a plan to go. q. Did she tell you how or where she was going to get out? A. I don't remember whether she told me or not, I couldn't say. q. When did you first learn that she was going to make the attempt on this cloister door? A. On the Sunday night previous. q. How did you learn that? A. By this girl with whom she had made the plan. q. She told you? A. Yee Bir. q. Did she tell you what hour of the day she was going to go? A. She said she Intended to leave the chapel the next morning. q. When she was in the chapel she was in the main building? A. Yes. q. And the door from the main building Into this cloister was open, generally, wasn't it? A. Yes sir, it was always open. q. It was the other door that was kept locked, the door Into the laun dry? That was the door you kept locked? A. The door leading into the laundry. q. YeB. A, From the cloister? q The door into the main building, off the cloister was usually left open? A. It was always open. q. And It was accesHiblo from the chapel where they went to mass? A. Yes sir. q. She could come that way? A. Yes. q. Now as you go into the cloister from that building on that end, from the main building do you go up or down stairs? Do you go down a pair of stairs Into the basement of the building? A. Yes. q. When did you instruct the girls to keep a watch upon her A. I in structed one of the girls that same night that I heard it q. Saturday night? A. As near aa I can remember. q Friday night? A. Sunday night. q. You hadn't Instructed them be fore that? A. No Blr. q. But you then found out for certain. Sunday night, that she was going to make the attempt Monday morning? 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She walked along the passage way until she came to thl glass door; she stood there a moment, and raised her hand' and then I saw the brick. I said q. She had a brick in her hand? A. Yes. Q What did she do with It? A. She raised It, and Just as ehe raised It I told Ursula not to let her break the window. q. What did she do, Seline? A. Well I heard the window break. I didn't see the action. q You heard It smash? A. Yes. q Well what was then done? A. Well I stood for a moment q Could you see Seline? A. No, I don't think I could. I have no re collection of that I was a little ex cited at the time and stood for a mo ment. Ursula ran. Then I thought further, and I went after her, aa tar as q When you got to this door had Seline gone? A. She had gone. I don't remember whether I saw her or not; but I saw the two girls they were Just getting over the fence as I got to the glass door. q. What two girls were going? A. Ursula and Josle Anderson. q. Where was Josle Anderson when she broke out? A. She was at the door at the other end. q. Well thajt door was a locked door wasn't It? A. Usually. I didn't always lock it when the girl were all out q. This morning it was unlocked? A. It was. q. Now wasn't It unlocked pur posely so that Josle Anderson cool stand there and watch from that end of the passage? A. Mrs. O'Donnell stood there. q. And Mrs. O'Donnell is the wo man that told you she was going te escape? A. She gave me some hints about it. q. Mrs. O'Donnell remained with her? Yes, sir. q. Now that door was left open ee that Josle Anderson could stand there and watch, on the morning she raa away? A. Yes certainly. q. So that this door which was usually locked you had left open eo that Josle Anderson could stand at that end of the passage and come np behind her? A. Yes. q. So there was a girl at each end of the passage way? A. Yes. q. This is the way you had it fixed on that morning? A. Yes sir. q. Well then it Is a fact that Joal Anderson was there watching that you knew that Josie Anderson was there watching? A. As I Bald I am not positive whether I told her or not q. Well you made arrangements? A. I said this morning that I thought I told Ursula to tell her. q. Oh, you told Ursula to tell her? A. Yes. q. On this morning? A. I think so. q. Then this plan was laid when? When did you make the arrange ment? A. 1 spoke to Ursula Sun day night. I dont' know when if she did speak, when she spoke to her. Q. When you spoke to Ursula did you lay this plan and make these ar rangements? A. I am not quite sure whether I told her that night or the next morning. 1 told her the night before, for her to come, but whether q. Well who laid these plans, made this arrangment to have these girls stationed in this way, one at each end of the cloister? A. Why, I did. q. And who directed that door to be left open? A. I did. q. Now your object was as I un derstand it to have a girl at each end of the cloister and when she went there to break that door to get out, to stop her? A. To stop her from breaking the window, yes, q. And to stop her from getting out there? A. Well certainly. If she was stopped from breaking the window she would be stopped from getting out q. Well your plans were not t
