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About Omaha daily bee. (Omaha [Neb.]) 187?-1922 | View Entire Issue (Jan. 25, 1886)
THE OMASA DAILY BEE , MONDAY , JANUARY 25 , 1886 A BEGGAR ON HORSEBACK , -.if The Nice Young Man Who Borrowed a Horse , But Forgot to Eoturn it. A COOL DEMAND FOR S30.000. Tlio Great Libel Suit of J. Milton Hoffman Against E. Eosewatcr. BARNES ON THE WITNESS STAND. The On tier of the Horrowcil Horse Itclurlnutl.v Ilefrcslips Milloii'fl Muddled Memory. About two weeks ago J. Milton Hoffman , privale"ccrelary of Governor Dawcs , com menced n lllicl suit against K. Itoscvvater , cdltoi or the Omaha Hr.r , In the Lancaster connlj dlstt let com t. The subpoena f-elvcd iilion Mi. HoMJwator nt Lincoln gave him nntlf the iMhof rebnmty toilloaiianswer , nnd It was thought tlmt the suit would ( has along for months and peilups forj cur * , like llic most of such cases. To the surprise of the ptnlnllll and his nttin no * , s the defendant 1ms uhe.idj taken stops to loico the Issue. Notion vns icivcil by his attoinoys , Mason A : Wliedon , upon the jilnlntiir that the depositions \vould be taken , mid uccouliiigly on last Thursday the Hist witness foi the dclcti c was ox- innliU'd hi theolllcc of Mi. Abbott , a not.uy ioi Lancaster county. 'Ihe witness , Mi. Uainos , who was the owner of the boriowed hoise , waseiy ii'liioliuit to icsiiond. Oicat prrssmo linil been bionqht upon him by Hoffman's backus to lovlse his iecolloetlnns , and an at tachment had to bo sui\ed to bilng him be- foicthp. notaiy. The following Is a dans- nlpt ( > f the testimony , the only omission be ing the steieolyped objections olthe plain- tlll'sattoinoisto lunily every question put by Mi. Wlicdon. The plalutin , lloninan , was piesont in pcnon , olid .Mr. Sawyoi and .Indue Wcb-itoi. of Lincoln , conducted the tn clor him , VMI.VATIOV or AH : , it vim : " . i\niniiulloiiof : T. K. Imiues by 0. O. AVIiedou , attoinoj lor defendant : < } . Slate youi name , occupation and place ol icsldeiice. A. T. F. names ; lesltle tlnec miles cast ot the city of Lincoln ; occu pation , attoiney at ineseut. Q. Aiayou ncinmmtertlth the plaintiff In tills case , .John Milton llollinan ? A. lam. Q. llo\\ long lm.e ion been acquainted \\itli him ? A. I should think since about IbT" 01 lb7S , along about that time. Q. Huvcyoiievei had any business tiaiis- nctlonsitli tlio plalntitl ? A. I Imc. ( J. At whit time did those ti.uisaclions commcnco to the best of join lecollectlon ? A. 1 can't give the evict date ; 1 think it is thewIntel ot 1ST8. Q. ( state what the iiushipss lelations exist ing between jonandthe plalntill weie ? A. It was couccinlng the puichascot f.omo ad ditional eighties , additional homesteads. ( J. At the time jou enteicd into tlicse icla- tIons with the plaintllT , weio jou engaged in puichasing wimt am known as soldiers addi tional eighty lights ? A. Ivvas. Q. Foi what pin pose did jou employ the plaintiff , If jou emnlojed lilm nt all' . ' A. To pin chase thobQ lights. ( J. At what places was ho to pwohasp those lights ? A. Anjwlicio lie could liml them. ( { . Havojoti n ropy or llicoiiginul agree ment that jou had with Hoffman In iclation to that bn ine s ? A. 1 had one but I tie- Mioyed It with n lot of othei papers some thing UKu a jeai ago. Q. Ha\o . . jou . ncltlici _ . the oilglual now , not a copv' ' A. No , sii. Q. By the tcinis of that ncu ; cement weic jou to Iniulsh the plaintiff withi ahoise ? bavvjor objects : Incompetent , iiieluvant anil iiumateiial ; the vviittmi rnntract will speak fni itboll ; it doesn't follow because tint isdostiojul. tliatth.it ilesliojs all ot the toiitiactdlii e\lstenoc. nQ. ( b.ivvicillil ) voti delivoi to Jloflman a duplicate ot the conli act , ui did he linv e ouci' Whctlon objccls to his cross examining ( he witness at this time. Q. Old ho have one of t'ae contiacls1 that you and he cntcicd intOi" A. I think they weie both in Mi. iJolliiian'b hand wilting , each of them. Q. ( Savvvei ) Did ho hm c one ? A. He had one and I had one. Q. Please answer my question , weio you to tinnlsh lilm v , ith a IioihCl1 A. 1 would not beposltlvn ; thecontiatt will tell. Q. Did vou as a mattei ot facttuinishllofT- innn a hoiso foi the puipose of bib use while lie \\as In your emplov in tliib business ? A. 1 did linnisli him n hoi.se. ( ) . Describe the IIOIMJ. A. Hay inino. K about a thousand pounds , about six Ku. Q. What washer value , as neai as you can tell at that time ? A.I should have ictused § 15'J tor hui. i ( } . Do jou think she w as worth it ? A.I do ; she wufi rptlt a valuable animal. Q.Vassho worth that In the imtikct ? A. I could not nay that that was hoi maikot val ue , but I should have icfuscd It. ( J. About what time of the \car did Jfi. Holfnmn take the hoi se. to tlio best ol j out lucollectionV A. I think It was In the \\intci Bomctlmeamiaiyoi ; ) Feuiuaiy ; In the mid dle ol w Intel. Q. Didhouvoi ictmnthli hoiso lojouV A. He had nuvcr ictuincd It to me. Q. Have jou been the hnisoslnco the day thnt he took it to useV A. 1 uevui have. ( J. llavojouhcen Mi. llollmin hinte the ( lav tllat he took HIM hoi oV A. lhave.- O. How soon alter ho took the hoihe was it belore vou baw him to the best of join i ( .col lection1A. . The cumins siimmci oibpilnt ; nltci he took It. ( J. Did you e\ei have nny conveisatlon with the plaintiff. .Mi. llollman , In icgaid to the hoiseV A. lhad. O. You nmytitata whethei or notjouask odliim at any time what hud become ot the hoi so ? A. Idltl. Q , State what ho said in icply , if auj thliiK ? A. Ho icfuscd to give mo any Infoi- nmllon whatc\ci conu'inliiK It. Q. Vou may slate liom youi best iccollcc- tlon how many times jou usUcd him whoio t , the lioihd wns 01 what had become ot It ? A. 1 asked him scvcial times dining tlonvc had. Q , What icply , II any , did ho make ? A. Ho said that matteicd not utter \ve had bi't tied It up butwenn us ; ho ( 'avc mo a note an told me It would make no difleieucu whcthoi ho let me know or no ! , jot he did not let me Know. Q. What did ho do , If nn > tiling , In to paying Ioi Hie hoi-eV A. He gave me a promlssoiy note" ( ) . Htuo jou pot that note now ? A , lhavo not ; 1 di'llvt'iud It to him. Q. Do jou U'colluU Iho oinountoC that iidtc ? A. Ido not ; It was something like 811' . ' . Q. What was that note given for ? A. It wa Khun In settlement Ioi thu hoi&e , money am othei aiticles he had with him. Q. How much of it was foi thehni'.n , il jou lomeinbui ? A. Thai was just the MIII total ; U WHS foi the saddle , budlc , blanket andhoibo ; Iho sum of 35ln money ncailj v > V ) . ( ) . How much money did jou fuinlshtho plulntltl when ho iclt Lincoln with the Iioisu ? A. 1 handed him 8S5 in cash , Q. You iiiuv state wnuthei 01 not at thr tlmohegavo Ids note Ioi Uiohoiso jon gave to him any papa In writing ot any kind A. lKa\eliliutt pa pel. Q. Hiuoj ou atopy oljlhat papci ? A have not. Q. Hinejouthe paper itself ? A. Jlmvo not.l . l ) , State the contents of that napoi. A. ' . lit'llev nit wns In lib own bandwiltinc ; I \vusanaguemuiitthiit 1 bhould not piose cute lilm ciiuilnully. Q. l'orvhat ? A. 1 could not say what I nil contained ; It tvus an agiocmcnt not to piosecnte him criminally. Q. Did jou bu\u any convocation witl Mr. Hotfman at the time that that paper \va tlelivcied in iceard to giving him tlu > paper A. Ho would not bign the note until 1 had blirmul t hat ngi cement with him. Q. Did hunt that tlmo bay to jou that h would not blgn the note until jou woul * nurco that jou would not piosecutu him lo kfealhiK thu horse , 01 wouls to tlrat clfcct Ho would not blfi ) tlio note until I MgiiC ( tho.'VKic'Pinent ; the \voul "bleullng'1 wasii' used fdi "notiolurnliig.'i Q. Will J ou glv o , to Iho best of j-om jwol lection , the wording ol that paperA. . ' could not glvo von the \voullngof It anj more than that It was an agreement on in ; pair tlmt I should not piosrcuto him cilia inullvfor not loturnlug my mopcity , Q. lId Hollnian ut tliat lime bay to joi that ho Imd cuiibUltud a lavvjer about it A. Undid. U. I will ask jou to state hilly all the con crsntion tlmt j mi Imd with Mr. Hoffman In regard to the hone , as to his not returnm ? thnt t ; , If anything , jou said about not ire ecnllne him for taking the her e , or not x-tumlnft It. nnd what IMJ said In reply , if njlhlng ; state all of that conversation 16 our b3st lecollectlon. A. 1 bare already given most of It. < J. You did not Mate about the attorney , v hat ho ald and vhnt > ou ald. A. When 10 bnd talked about having thnt agreement iencd , J nindc the lemnrk , "It Ii not nccci- ni.vfoi I have no Idea of pie ccutlnjt sou crimlnnll.v ; were I to do anvlhinir of that kind my Idea would be n civil notion , and hole facts would come out ; I could not keep Itrin back nor could > nil. " Ho said that ho md consulted an attorney ; that t could not 10 am thliiK ninliovv. 1 told hm | If It wnin't scltlcd up that 1 would tiy It and * cc. After iclnd paid half of thc'notc 1 met him out heic lu front ( tf iii : lHli'sgioccijjust about opposite heio , about half \va > between Tenth nud IJcvciilh strecli , on thenotth .hlc of ( ) sticel in this clt.v , and l poke lo him about mjingtlic balance of the note , as he had > ccn lather tardHo wild he would bo Iftiniicd if ho would pay the note. 1 asked llm why. llc ald In icjily that he was a lainncd lool lo give it. 1 sild I will see hat can b ? done ; I will sue thN. 1 Matted olT. lie told mo to stop , and we talked the mtler ovci fuithe.r. I told him that he had x'tlcr settle It un. Ihadalicidv lost on it. nnd ho claimed tliat he had lost oil it also , I hlnk he Used n cciluln time for pijincnt of the balance * , which 1 believe ho made Q. In whoso handwiitlng was that paper hat j-ou signed at the time tliat he gave vou ho note , and In which jou agieed not to uoscciite him cilmlnall ) ? A. 1 could not Mute : 1 am under the Impicislon that he had Hie aitlclo uhendy prcaicd | ) In his pocket , md tlmt he pioduccil It and give It to me. It inavbave bucu icdi.iwii in my Inndvviltlug , ittt 1 have foitrotlen now ; my attention has not been called to It ; be pioduccil the Paper already diavvn. but In whose haudvvilllni ; It was 1 do not know. Q. I will ask jou to state If * , ou lemembcr whether 01 not lie icrpiltod as a. uondlllon of lie getting ol that note , that you should stun ihntpipci.1 A. He did as n positive condi tion. tion.Q 1 Avlll ask jon to Mitcanjtltnc that * , ou may Know In icsratd lo tin * pinlnllircver lav Ing been auostid lor slcallnu join hoise. A. 1 nevei ch.ugcd him W lib stealing a hoise. ( J. Slate vvlnt , it auj thing , you know about his having been ancstcil. btate an * , lads yon uny know in icgaid to that. A. llic hist knowledge I had ol anvthlug being wiong about it was from Mi. O. 0 JJvnns , ot I'll lh , Js'eb. A few dixs attei .Mi. llolfmaii \venl aw av he stopped mo on the toiuei ot O and Tenth stiects , In this city , and asked me 11 1 had lost a hoi so. i told him that 1 hadn't est a hotsp. 1 answcicd him ratlin ab- uptlj- , and pissed by him , but thinking 1 had spoken too abuiptlj , went back nud said : "What ol II , anjhovv ? " He ucaciibed the ior"-e , the rig. and Mr. Holtmaii , and I saw n a moment that It vvas my hoise and Mr. Jlollnmn. He biid he had ofleivd to sell It foi Sio at Fhth. Q. That is in what county ? A. Lancaster. It bad aroused his suspicions that cvcrj- thlng wasn't light. Q. What did jon afterwards learu in rc- jaitl to disposing of the horse , or as to his jolng auc.sted for dlsixisluR ot Iho horse ? Anj thing of that kind state lully. A. That Is not all of the conversation that 1 had with l vans. C. r. Hedges vvas heio from Arkan sas , Missomi. and he asked mo if I had seen Hoirman. J told him that 1 had not , and also tint he had a hoiso ol mine th.it I would like to get. and t gave him an oidei foi the hoiso anil told him to iret It , Some da\s altciwauls I iccelvcd a telegiam liom the m.iishal ot Spilnglicld , Missouri , Mating that Hoffman was uiidci aricat , and asklmr me what to do. I telegiaphedbick ; to let him no , and wrote Mr. Holluian to come home. I lnevv nothing furtlioi of the matter until Mr. Heulgcs came licie and told me what had been done. Q. About how longaflerMi. Hoffman took the horse was It before you saw Mr. HofT- inin again In Lincoln ? A. It was in the coming spi Ing , 01 early summer. Q. Abonl how many months would j-ou saj ? A. 1 think it was some foui or live mouths. Q. Did Mr. Hoffman at that time say to jou that he had done anj thing wrong ? State what ho said at that time when jou wcie talking about the hoiso. A. Yes , sir ; ho told mo he know ho had done wiong ; that ho hidn't ought to have done as bo did. Q. AVere jou t ilKing about the horse at thit time ? A. Vcsill. . Q. You may state about how long it was after Mi. Hollm.in lotiuncd before lie gave jou the note in settlement toi the hoise and piopcity ? A. I think It was soon titter be came heie , w ithln a verj' short time. Q. Did you state these tacts to Mi. Edvvaid Hobcvvatei , the defendant in this case , or the substance ot them ut any tlmo , do jouiccol- lect ? A We had a short conveisatlon con cerning them. Q. In icgard , to those same facts ? A. Some of them. Q. Do j'ou recollect now that coin orsatlon : what it was fullj ? A. Most ol it. I gave It to Mi. Kosewatei at that time confidentially , not as a public mallei at all. Q. Didyouevei discount this note , 01 dis pose of this note , that Mi. Hoffman wave you ? A. J think I once had It In the First National bank of this city as collatci.il or left It theie foi collection , one 01 the other , I don't iccolleut which. Q. I will ask jon If j on lecollect whether or not vou ever hold It to them or discounted il there ? A. That I w ill not saj' . Q Do 5 ou lecollectlifithci or not you had nnj eon venation with anj of the olllceisol thu bank with legaid to the note ? A. lhad n conveisatlon with Mi. Cl.uk conteining this alfali about the time my horse was gone. He informed mi1 that Mi. Hoffman vvas one of thu nicest joung men of the town , and thnt It could not bo possible. Q. What had jou .said to lilm that led him to make that rom.nk ? A. 1 went to Air. Cl.nk as ] knew that he vvns well acquainted with Mi. Holfmaii , to see what kind of a man Mr. Hoffman was Ho told mo tliat it could not bo pobbiblo , that ho was one of the nicest jonngmon of the town. I told him lh.it it ( Citalnly was bo , Ioi I believed that O. 0. Kvans had told the Until , and I told him still luithci that I could not find out whciu my hot so vvas ; ho had wiitten foi moiioyaiul each time 1 had answered him asking toi Iho horse , and I never got tiny icplj ; he didn't tell mo whcie the norse was , and 1 did not loiwaid him the money ; If he had intoimcd me I would have bcutthe money , Q. What iculy , it any , did Mr. Clark make to that ? A. Ho told me tliat It wasn't possi ble at all ; that ho know him to be a very nice juiiug man and there vv.is some mistake about It. Q Did j'ou over have any convcisallon with Mi. Claik aftei Mi. Claik know that h novel did iclurn the hoiso ? A. 1 wonlil rather not diavv Mt. Claik Into this business , as I would have to biillci by It. [ On the leading ovei of IhU p.nt ot Ino deposition the witness stiuck out Hide wouls : "As I would have to sulfei by It , " to which Mi. fjavvjcr objected. ] Ho is veiy filcndlj with mo , and J hate to draw him into it. I think Mr. Clink wanted to dovhutasililit ; he was friendly to both of us. us.Q , You may stale whether 01 not j'ou ever favo Mi. Holluian any anlhoilty to bull join hoi > c. A. No , Mr ; no authority lu the least. The last conversation we hail when ho left my oftlce , which at that tlmo vvas opposite the Commeiclal hotel , 1 told him to he sure nnd luiiu' the hoiao back to me , nnd ho said , "Iwlll , Mr. Uaines. " Q. I will mk you to stuta whether or not Jli. Hodman lit any time applied to > on by letter or tclegiaph toi pei mission lo sell 01 dispose ot loin hoito , 01 piopcity ? A. No , sir ; lie i ould not Imo got it unless it hud been a mattei of necessity. Q. You may fatute what claim , If any , ho made utter ho rotiuncd of the right to sel thu hoiso ? A. He nevoi madonny dalni tome mo that ho had any light , only that It be came cold and ho didn't want to tiavcl In that way , Q. Whatieplydldho make when jou askei him what had become of iho hoibi ; . A. Ho icfubod to give me uny Infoimatlon. Q. Do j ou know now \vhcio the hoiso Is ? A. 1 do not , Q. Have jou ovel seen the hoit > c. or cot aiiv tmcp of U Mnce Mr. llollin.in took it ? A. I nevei have , only what Mi. l vans told nit' nnd I tried hard , and told Mi , Kvang to titu it ; Mr. Kvans thought it w.v > sold between tlioio ( Filth ) and the state line. Q. Ilaiojou ever seen the paper that joi cave to Mi. Hoffman nt the time ho cave joi the note , Elnco giving it to him ? A. No sir. citoss-Ex.VMixF.n nv MIL winsnn. : Q. State when thU nirangemcnt undoi whlrli jouih'llvoicd thehorbo to Mi. lion" man WHS made. As nearly as ou can , state the veu ; aud the time of the year. A , I could not glvo jou thu > t'ii until 1 IKUI looked at bomo papers. Tno contract wil bhow. Q. Have you got the contract ? A. Iha\o not ; it vvas In thu winter time , January or Fcbiuarj' , qulto cold. Q , Whntjear vvas it , do you know ? A , 1 would not give the time without looking a tlio papers. Q , Could you state within four or five jcara ? . A. 1 would not ttj toglve it to jot without icfcultig to thepnpeib. Q. Ha\n j-on any papers by which you could fl\ the time ? A , lhave at my hoil e. if. Uofoie jou sign jqur deposition 1 want j ou to flx t hat time , at least the ycar.and attach such papeis as you may have vvblch enables jtut toJiv the time , or a copy thereof , to'jour icposltlon. A. I will ulvo.\oM the date. Q/ Before signing the deposition , IK the time , please ? A. Yes I will. Q. Together with a ropv of uch mcmo- randuin a enables you to I'IK the time ? A. i could not stale that 1 would part with thnt. Q. Hie memorandum , or n copv of It vv hlch enables vou to IK the time ? A.cssh. . Q. IhH arrancpincnt with Mr. Hoffman was upon a written memorandum or con tract ? A. I believe It was. .ItidRc. Q. You Imonocopj of It ? Av No , 1 Imo not ; 1 had one. Q. Can jon state its general pin port ? A. It vvas that hovas to buy additional home steads foi me. Q. Additional homestead claims or rights ? A. Yes. Q. Where vvai lie to operate ? A. Any where between these places , roiu here to Aikansas , In Arkansas especially. Q. It contemplated his golne as far as Aikausn * ? A. Yps , and there weio a good many clnlms in this county. ( } . When * wai ho to make his headipiaitcrs for urn to communicate with him ? A. I don't icincmbci. Q. Do jou icmeinberwhcthC'i or not thcic was to be such place ? A. I could not state as to that. Ido not sec how he could have hid one , as ho was changing around all tin * time ; there miy have been someet place to send his mall to , but 1 could not bo positive about Hint. ( J. Did tint wiltten niciiioiaiiduincmbiaco the whole of the ttudcistundlng between jou , 01 vvas theie aiivthlni ; oral besides that ? A. I don't know whether It contained It alt 01 not. not.C. . You would not sny tint It did. A. No ; as fai as the iniichaslng of the claims Is con- coined 1 think It did. but whethei the piop- city was mentioned In that 1 could not say ; Mi. Holluian drew It up hlmselt. Q. Mas IIP wni king upon n sil.iiy , or engaged - gagod with an Inteicst in the business ? A. 1 could not state l.ovv that was ; the contiaet will show. Q. You don't remember whcthci Ills em ployment was upon n Used salaiy 01 upon mi Inteicst In the icsults of the business ? A. I could not state how that was , we had so minvdlllcicnl auaugcineiits ; somclimcs 1 would deal with one man in one way and with another In another waj' . Q. Do jou lemembei whethei or not in dealing with him you cither in wilting' or brallj irunianteed any piitlculai amount pel j cat to him in the business ? A. 1 could not state. Q. Whether it was mentioned in Iho wilt ing 01 not , jou weie to fuinlsli him a hoiso asaii.cansof conveyance ? A. That vvas my agreement , to furniMi n hoiac , saddle and btldlc. Q. And jou were to furnish him money foi expenses ? A. Yes , sh. Q. Ami you never sent him any money attci hclcitliomel A. No , sii ; 1 did not feel sale In sending any moie after thai stoiy came from Avails ; lhad no encoiiuigeuient to send moie money. Q. You furnished him S" " > when ho left home ? A. Yes , Mi ; and that would have cai i led him a long way If ho had used It ju diciously. Q. Did you icquest him to see or call upon any paities in Kansas ? A. I could not give the names ; theie was one neai Neosha Falls , Kan. Kan.Q. Was there any thing said that In case ho could m.iko a good tiado for additional eighties , 01 anvthing ot tint soil , that he could trade the horse ? A. No , sn ; not at all to my. knowledge 01 iceollectioii. Q. KithL'i beloio he left hoineot afteiwaids in wilting ? A. To my iccollection 1 nevei wioloitV Q. "Would jou sweai that jou did not ? A. 1 would to the beM Ot my iceollectioii. Q. 'lhat Is join only answci. that jou don't icmcmbei it ? A. That is , all gone and U hasn't been ou my memoiy. Q. Didn't jou s.iy so oially befoi oho'went away ? A. 1 most undoubtedly did not ; my last chaige to him was to bring my hoise back. Q. Wasn't it a question tor sometime be tween j'ou and ho vvhethoi ho should go ou hoisobackoi take some othei means of con- vcjance ? A. Xo , sh ; jon could not buy homestead claims and tiavcl on a lallioad tinin. Q. Was theie not some oncstion as to whethei ho was to go to this held ot la- boi wheiehe was toseaich Ioi the claims by .some otliui means ol convcvntico , or to go on Iiolsoback to this held ot opeiatlon ? A. Wo might have talked that ovci , but the conclu sion was as stated in the contiact ; that sets up what we agieed on. Q. Then it might have been talked at lust that ho perhaps might beltci go to his iield of iippialloii bv lall ? A. Possibly it might. Q. How long uftci Mi. Hoflmaii left vvas It bcloic vou hcaid tiom him by Icttci ? A. I don't feincmbci. Q. Can j ou state about how long ? A. I could not. Q. Can jou icmcmber where he was when \otiKottlio hist letter fiom him ; whcio the Jirst letter was written troui ? A. i could not. not.Q. . Have jou cot any such lettcis with you ? A. lhavonot : Idcstrojeda gicat many let tcis about a yeai ago. Q. Did j'ou over icceivo a lettoi fiom him ? A. Iiecclveda letter fiom him fiom some point south asking for money , andlvviote back , 1 believe , what I hid hcaid fiom Mi. Evans , and asked about the hoise. Q. Was that fiom Manhattan ? A. I could not say. ( } . Did you vvilto back to him at Muihat- tan ? A. 1 could not say. Q. Dld\ou keep n letter piess copy of It ? A. I hivcn'tgotone. Q. You h ivo no means of fixing as to what points vou vvioto to , m tioinvvh it points you were to heai liom him ? A. No , sii. Q. This lettoi that you wiote to him. was it ictuinedto you ? A. Not that I lemembei ol. ( J. Vou don't icmembei whethei it was 10- tuiueil to you 01 not ? A. 1 have no iccollcc- lion ol llic lettei being ictuined to inc. Q. 1'ou have had letteisictuiiied ? A. Yes , all. all.Q. . Did you get ansvvei fiom him in re sponse to that lettei ? A. I could not say ; Mi. llollman vvioto several lettcis liom the south , asking mo to bend money , and also when he got Into Arkansas , ( J. You don't lemomboi whether or not he lOtmned Iholiist luttei that you wiote to him ? A. No ; inied to get iufoimatiou about my piopuity , but could not , consequently 1 sent no money. Q. Do you remember whethei ot not you wiote a lettei toKmpoiiu ? A. I could not state the names of the places. Q. How long aftei ho lett vvas It that you Wiote ? A. I cannot give Iho names ol the places 01 the dates. Q. Have you any of the letters that you 10- ceivcd fiom Mi , llotfin.ui during the time ot his absence ? A. 1 have not ; 1 had these lettcis with the contiaclsand I think a jcnr ago last buinmei It was 1 binned a gieat ninny ot thu U'ttcisand contracts , as I did not think 1 needed them ; I think I burned all of my old lettcis and pipers that 1 had at my housa which 1 had no use for. Q. Did you wiltn him more than one letter in leguid to what jou hcaid liom Kvans ? A. 1 could not say whether one or sevcinl letters passed between us , Q. Could you recollect whethoi this lit. . letter that yon Imvo mentioned , In which jou stated that jon had hcaid fiom Ah. Evans , wns directed to him In Aikausasoi Mlbsouii ? A. 1 should judge that It was dl- iccted to him In Kansas , as 1 don't think ho had got that far down llien , soinovvheie lu Kansas. Q , Did you over receive a loiter from him In which no mentioned having Bold ahorse at all ? A. No , sir. O. Ho novel did write such a letter , did he ? A. Ho nevei wiote me that lie had sold the hoiii ? , gave It away or lost it , or any thing ot the kind ; helms never told mo as yet , although 1 hauuoquested him to do so and tiled to find out long ago when it was a matter tor of Interest to me. Q. Did you at any time fiom any point ro > coivoa lettei trout him In which he men tioned having sold tliohoibC. A.Mr. H oil man has neltlici , by wilting or by wonl. cvei admitted tlmt he sold the horse , lost U 01 gavu It away , 01 whU ho did with It , Q. You have not lecoivrd such n letter fiom Mi. lloltman in which ho mentioned it at all ? A. Not tint lhavo any recollection of. 01 any phase ot Intimation of , no , sir. Q. Did you iccoivoa letter fiom Mr. Hoff. inun , Raying tlmt he would bo in Lincoln about the fust ot April next , alter the date of that lettei ? A. Alter I wrolo him , I don't know whether or not ho wrote back to mo when he would be here ; I am not positive whether he wrote me or uot ; 1 wrote him to come home. Q , You mentioned teeming a telegiaiu from some otllcei in Missouri , didn't you ? A. Yes , sir. Q. Have you got that telegram ? A. I have not ; it was with the othoi napeis ; they weie all together ; tlu > maitei Imd passed and I cared nothing about them ; lhad no feelingugulust Mr , Holfman , aud 1 would have done him a favoi or klndnesAas nulekos I would for any other jtmu ; In fad , 1 think I should Imvo uiadu an extra elloit tolmvo done sq. Q. You never did accuse Mr. Hoffman of Mealing the hoise , did jou ? A. No , sir ; the word was never usejil between Mr. Hoffman and mo to my lecollectlon. tj.6u never svvtore Out a warrant against him , heioorcl evvheioV A. No , ir. < } . Nor directed his -arrest ? At No , sir ; I did not wish It ; that was Mi. Hedges' opeia tlon. tlon.Q. And jou never fited an Information In any court against him ? A. No ; I had no Idea of It , and so tqld Mi , Hoffimn when ho came home : 1 told him o when 1 signed the- piper ; that It wasn't necessary , and that he need Imve no tear of mo. Q. There weic two copies of the memoran dum of nciPpmcntbutVAccMi jounndMr. HoU- nmu ? A. Yes , sir. Q. Wore thej prepared by joursclf ? A. J think Mi. Hoffman drew both of them up ; 1 believe they are in Ills Imiidvviltlne ; the one lhad was in hlshandvvilting ; may bo the one that be had was in tn.v handwiitlng ; llic ono that 1 hid vvas lu hta haiidniltlng. Q. Who dicw It up In the llrpt plrtce ? A. HofTman had It uheady drawn when ho came to my ofllcc. o. The terms had been arranged aud jou had talked It ovel ? A. Yc , Mi. ( } . And you icail It o > ci ? A. Yes , sir : we set out the whole business transaction : I had employed a gicat ninny agentsbut Imd never drawn up a written contiact before , but he wanted It and he drew It up ; I have had some tioiiblo w lib a fewol uiyaceiits , and by somoof them 1 have lost considerable sums of money. ( } . Now whal vou told liosevvatci vvas told mlitnuitf A. Indeed it was ( } . How did you como to tell It. Mr. Uarncs ? A. Well , Mr. Itoscwatcrniid I wcic in room niattho Uorliam house talklni : about some othei business and he put the miestlon to me as to whom he coil Id get down hcie to act as coiiespoiuli'iit foi his paper. He wanted a good man. 1 thought foi some little time , and L sild 1 think Mr. Milton Holfman would be Hie man. Mi. Uoscwnlcr put the question to IMP as to who howasot some othei question prelimliiiiy. 1 told him that ho vvas the pihate socictary ot Governor Davvcs. l locommentled him ; no one would have done Mi. Hoffman a tuvoi qulckci than 1 would have done. He was much youngei when this tiansictlon hippenc.il , and Hold him that anything 1 could do toi him in the world , 1 would do. Q.oiitoldlilm the e facts In the way of a iccoiumondatlon , did you ? A. Xo , sh. ( } . 1 thought j ou weio lecommciitling Mi. Hoffman nt this tlmo. A. I did. He put the < | iicMlon tome , wanted to know If 1 hid had any deal w ith him. 1 told him 1 had had. He wanted to know how. 1 told him I had one little deal aud cv cry thing had been lived upsntlsf.ictoi.illj' , and in the * convcisation then * the mattei came out. 1 told him that every thing had been lld. . Mi. Kosewn tor had muntloncil at the time tlmt he wouldn't hhc him as Mi. Hoffman had wiltten some sciurllous articles Ioi the Chlciiro Times agaliiht him ; tliat was his objection Q. And tliat is tlio way the mallei came to be spoken of ? A. Yes sh. Mi. Itosevvatei asked me as to the dates in the mattei. As a mattei ot fact it 1 had known tint he was going to make It public 1 would not have spoken to him. Q. Did von tell Mr. I'osovvatei at that time that Mi. llollman had stolen y our hotsc ? A. No , sh. Q. And you never did tell him that ? A. No ; 1 gave him a short statement of the facts. At the time Mr. llotlniiu did It of cotime 1 Iclt just as haul against him as 11 he had taken Iho hoise , but alter the mattei had been settled i.p , 1 let It pass , let it go bv. Q. On 01 about the ii'th day ot June , ISS" , heio at Lincoln , In the picoeuco ot Mi. IlobQit McCaithy of Hits county , did you have any conveihition with Mi. IlollinanV A. I don't know Mi. McCaithy ; I nevei saw him to my knowledge. Q. In the presence of Mr. McCaithy and in conversation with Jit. llollman , on tnoaltei- noon ot tlio ! Hth day'ol .lime , I8i > > , heie In Lincolndid joustlito lo Mi. Hoffman in sub- stinco that you wanted lo speak lo him ( llollman ) , nnd then said that you icgietted the mbuiidoistatuniig between Mi. llolliu m and Mi. IJosewatet ; that you hail told Mi. Uosowatui a few things In coiiudonce and that Uosevvatct had put-a wiong constitution upon what you l ul sild , 01 that In sub stance ? A. 1 liano iceollectioii 01 knowl edge of the man MbCaithy lu the win Id. Q. Did you so statd to Mi. llollman at tlmt time and place ? A. I told Mr. llotl- man that I was souy about the tiouhle exist ing between them ; that Itosuvvater had gone too fai In the matter. 1 did not boo the aitl clo by All. llo evvnter charging him with being a horicthlof. Mi. llotrumn told me what ho had charged him with a and I told him that Mi. lose- { watci had gone too far in making such a clmigo ; that the rcmaiks were made , by me in conlulencc. 1 made Iho icmnik lo Mi. Uosovvalei at tlidtlme , "It lie published that , that would nnke a harder article against Mi. Hoffimn than he published against vou" ; it would be a haid matter and 1 did not w ish to see It occui to a young man. Q At tlmt time didn't you state to Mr. Hotfinin that you Imd not told Mi. Kose- walei lhat Hoffman was a hoiaethlcf noi in timated that In substance ? A. 1 tliink I told Mr. Holfman that 1 Imu never ohirgetUhim w ith beluga hoisothlef , and that 1 didn't think that Mr. Hosowater would have pub lished the mattei that I Imd told him ; that I felt as ugly at the time as thoimh he had stolen the hoi no , but that It was settled and I was all ovei It : 1 did not leel pleased at having my confidence betiajed , and no other man would. Q. In that convcisation did you say to Mi. Hoirman that Mi. Rosewalcr nail misiepie- sontedyou , 01 tlmt In substance ? A. 1 could not say ; I only icad two ot the aiticles , one vvheio hit called him a man on horseback and the other one. ( J Did vou state in tlmt convoisitlon tlmt Mi. Itoscvvatei had mlsieprosenled yon In thu mattei , or tlmt in substance ? A. I could not say that , as 1 did not read his icmesenta- tiOllK. Q. Did \otisay It ? A. Ibollove not ; 1 told Mr. Holfnmn when ho lead that aitlclc , lie cither did tlmt 01 ho stated to me that ho had called him that , basing his statement back ou mine. , that Mi. llosevvatei h vd inisieprcsented me , that 1 hadn't mule such a statement that he vvasahoisethlof , 1 could not do it ; as to the date you spe ik of , l don't recollect it. Q. On 01 about the 20th day ot October , 18.S.J. at the limUnison & Mlssotul depot at Lincoln , did you Imve a conveisatlon with Mi. llollmanMl. M.uquetteand Mis. Hofl- ninn being mcs/Mil ? A , Mi. and MIS. Holf- nmn weio In the liiuMillion & Missomi depot ; I poke to Mi. Hollimn , called him aside and Ind some convoiKition concerning this ; Mr. Maiquctto was there. Q. WHO Mi. .lawyer , Mi. Kellv and Mr. Mainuette there ? A. I don't iccollcct seeing Mi. biiwyci thcio ; I met Mr , Kelly going homo tlmt evening and I iccollcct seeing Mr. Maiqucttt' , as I went up nnd shook hands with him. Q. Did jou say this to Sir. Ilotfman , or this in substance : "I am sony to see you leellng haul towards mo , because'of this IJosevvatoi alT.ih ; 1 don't want joutofecl tlmt way ; 1 did not intend doing you any in jury ; what I said to Mr. Kosewatei vvas understood to bo In confidence , " 01 that in biibstauco ? A. Yes. sir. i } . Did jou siy that ? A. Yes , nh ; Mi. Hottiimu was feeling putty bad about It. Q. DldMi.lIoUiimnaskjouthis : "Didn't you tell Kosowater that 1 vvas n hoiMithlef1' 01 that in substance ; do jou icinbmhci his asking jou that qiuvtioii , tlmt da > ? A. 1 don't remember w lu > tliii ho asked It that day 01 not , hut he did once. " Q. Did jou sayrto him : "Oh no , I said nothing of the kindA. / ' . Wlumcvei he asked thnt question i told him that I never told Mi. Itosuvvatei Uialln the world. Q. You never did tell him that ? A. No , sir. sir.Q. . Did you say to Miv Hoffman this , tlmt vou had ncvci icgnided it in that light ? A. I icmembei tolling Mi. llollman when ho came back that It WAS no better than hoiso stealing , the way ho had done ; as to using tlmt sentence to uny'ono else , lhavo no iceollectioii of using It At all. O. At the titno , v\hpn Mr. Saw'ycr , Mr. Kelly and Mi. Mnrquctt vvcio at the Hiulliig- ton k Missouri depot lu'thlscitv , about the iiOth pf Octobci , IBs1 ! , didn't you say tlmt you nevei rogai.led it In that hgnt , or that In sub stance , to Mr. Hoflmnn ? A. His possible I said that thoie , tor 1 novel conMdeiod that ho had stolen the hol > e light out ; but he got mylioisoand 1 never received it back. Q. You say It Is polble that j ou Bald that to Mi. Hoffman ? A. Yes , Mi. t Q. On ictlcction jou lather think tlmt you did , don't j on ? . A. Yes , Mr : at the b.unu tlmo I gave him to understand voiy clcaily that 1 hid nuvcr made that repiescalation to Mr. Itoscwater. Q. ' 1 hat Is not what I am asking j ou. A. 1 could not give the exact lime. Q. You lather think tli.it you said that to Mr. HofTman , then and there ? A. Tlmt I hadn't leganhd him us a IIOI&Q thief ? Q. ires , sir ? A. Yes , 1 think so ; at tlmt conversation that vvas the subject of the mc'otlng. Q. Did you say this further'There ' was a little dllfcronct ) between nsaiul you settled It In an honorable way , " at that time in the liinllngton & Missouri depot lithe city of Llncolu ? A. I did not say theie was any ( llttcieticebetween us. but thai J'ftltad bellied it in an honorable vray , Q. You didn't USD tiie words "There was a little ditfeien.ee between us , " but jou did say IIP setUcctit ? A. Yes Mr.t settled It with HofTiimii on hi * own pioposltlon. Q. Dldjimtay thK"ltold Mr. llosowalcr a fc\v little trifling things nud he put an ex aggerated construction on my words , " or thnt in snhstaiicc ? A. N ; 1 did not tell Mr. HofTman tlmt. O. You didn't tell hint that at tlmt time and place ? A. No , sii. Q. Did you not aylo Jiltn , "HI * notiea- sonablo lo supinc-p that I w ottld v Illlfy \ on team am one , " or tlmt hi substance ? A" . No ; 1 did not use the vvoul v Illlfy at all. O. . Dldjou av nitvthiuiequivalent toil ? A. Not tlmt I lomembci of. Q. In tlmt conversation did you sny that jou havn't told Air. lto ewatei what Sir. Itosowatorhad published in his pipri jibont Mi. lloltnmn. 01 tlmt lu snbMaiuo ? A. Mr. llolfumn told mo tlmt Mr , KoMiwaler had rbniged him with hi > liiB a horselhiof. and then I told him tlmt I hadn't told Mi. liosu- wutci tlmt. ( ) . Didn't jou tell him that you hadn'l told Mr. lUisewatcr whit Mr. lto > owal.ei had published In his papei , 01 tlmt in Miltslancoi' A. Tlmt was the only article tint he nmdo mention of as having been published lhat was votv pointed , and I told him that 1 hadn't told Ml. Uosevvntci tint. ( } . llovv lotit' was it attoi Ml. Hoffman ic- tinned befoie he adjured this matter with jon ? A. riomptly light uvvny. Q. Howiotcvou befoio his aiilval hoic lhat ho was going to come ? A.I could not sav tlmt ho did. ( } , Would v 't say that ho did not ? A. t would not MI * , elthei way ; I wiole him , ami 1 had full confidence tli.it he would bo hcie. ( ) . Who were piesenl when this second wilttcn contiact was given bv llofliimiuwhcn this adjustment was made and this will ten inoiiiotnndtini 01 cnnlinctwlilch yonsavwas clven lo llollman bv vou , who * \as \ picseul ? A. It VMIS In my omcc , nnd I htivu no iccol- lecllon ot anvone helm ? theie. ( } . Youjdou't i willed whether01 not any one vvas ptosent ? A. Xo ; I think that Is a mallei we would not have t ilKedovorbolorc anvone voiv publicly , eithoi of us. ( ) Do vou moan to bo undoHtood as sav ing thai no mio was present ? A. 1 don't think theie was. ( } . Do jou mem to say tlmt youi lecollcc- tlou Is so Indistinct about it that you i annot s.iy anvone was piesont ot not ? A. 1 don't think t would have pel ml tied nuvono to bo in un ofllco at the tlmo we were talking In that way , as I had no desho tonmkclt public. ( J. State whethei 01 not you lecollect about that. A. 1 Imve no lecollectlon ol anyone being in the olllce. ( } . Havoyou any iceollectioii thitnoone was in the olllco ? A. 1 don't iccollcct seeing am one In the otlicc. ( } . Do jou iocollect tlmt jou and he weio alone In the olllce ? A. I think tlmt we weie. ( J. Is that join lecollectlon ? A. Yes ; when the last mcmoiaiulnm was written. When oui coutiact was made theie may have been dltleient paitics lotuul In the of fice. < } . I am speaking of thonicmoiaudum ; do jou iccollcct that no ono vvas picsent in the olllce at that lime ? A. ls.vvc.ii tlmt 1 have no iceollectioii of am onn being theie. Q. Do von lecollecl that you were alone ? A. I believe that wo vvcic. ( ) . Youi iceollectioii on tliat is just as clc.u as It isupon any other pail of join tes timony ? A. No , sh ; In olllces people will pass In and out , and 1 may not Have ob served some one thnt was theie. Q. bomoone might have been theio ? A. 1 hole inlcht , but I have no lecollectlon of it. ( J. Did Mi. lloftinan give vim a icceipt Ioi S" > which you f mulshed him when ho wont awavA. 1 bellcvu notliccavcme ; | no leccipt ioi tint orthe piopt'ity which 1 Itt him have. Q. Did you pay it in cash 01 by check ? A. I paid it to him In cash , 1 believe. Q. Ale vou coiilulent that Is the amount you gav e him ? A. The sum lot il that 1 was In foi lot him was ? > 0 about. 'Iho weather was cold and he wanted some aictics and othei things ; it was 84" > 01 SV ) ; the cash he had at tlmt date was ? . ) " > . Q. I'ait ot that was money and pail niticlos puiclmsed ? A. I went out with him , it was cold vvcnthoi , and bought him what ho wanted and paid him Sitt in cish , which was all rieht. ( } The exact amount was S'tt in cash ? A. I believe it was ; yes , 1 think so ; 1 don't think tlieic was nnvieoulpl Jiiveuoitliei way. Q. If it was paid by check would yon have that check now ? A. Yes ; 1 believe I would. Q That Is you pieseiveyoui old checks ? A. Yes sh ; I haveovoiy check I evci cave on the Fhst National bank. Q. Did Mi. Evans lirst speak to yon about Mi. Hoffman and the horse ? A. Yes , sh. Q. Did ho know Iho man ? A. No ; ho de- sciibed the man. Q. Did he suy he knew the hoiso ? A. No ; he described the horse nt tint tlmo : Mi. Hoflmaulmiia ilng ou his hngoi that I Knew , light moustache , aictics , saddle , bridle and the line ; . Q. Did he mention to you how ho came to speak about f ho hoise. A. Yes , he did. Q. All the mattei s vvlihh you have tcstilicd to ttaiisphed timing Iho lime Horn the tlmo that Mi. llollman left hcie until hi ) met you again , orwoie they matteis icpoited to * , ou by otheis , nothing tlmt came undoi youi own observation. A. Theie is the evidence Ioi yon to inn ovei yourself , lean diavv no such conclusions. Q. 1'ioin the time that Mi , HolTumn wont away until hoc mm back you did not see him and talk with him ? Q. You hid one 01 two Ictteisfiom him ? A. Yes , sir. Q. And that was the only communication you had with him ? A. Yes , sii. Q. Did you cvci stito to Mr. Rosovvaiei that Mr. Hoffman had been in jail In Kan sas ? A. I did not. O. Did you fltnto that ho had boon Inpiison in Missouri ? A. No. Q. ( ) i In any othoi place9 A. No , sh. ( J. You stated It to Mi. Kosewatoi .is heie- say evidence ; It vvnsmeicly houa.iyas iai asou khow anything about it ? A. Yes A You novel Mated such a thing to Mi. KiisGWatoi ? A. No , sii ; 1 stated to him what I had heard Mi. Hedge- ) tell me ; tlmt vvas aftei this war had begun. Q. And llollman novel stated to you what had become ol the hoise ? A. No , sh. Q. As fai as yon Knew the hoi so was stolen fiom him , 01 ( lied ; as tai as you Know any - thlnir about It , you don't know what became ot It ? A. I never Know oieept what Mi. Kvans reported to me ot what ho saw at Fhth. ( { . And that was hcaisay testimony ? A. Yes , sit. ( } , ( ' .in jou state -whit vvei the teims ot Mr. Hollnmn'h aniplov nuuit. A. I don't know whethei I made him my agent 01 my piilner. ( } . Ho may haw been olthoioni paitnei or your agent as tin as yon lecollect ? A. lu the puichasing ot tlit'so claims I don't iccol- lect just how that vvas. The piopei ty ho took liom mo he had no inteicUln noipaitnci- ship In it at all. ( j. In the .spring ol 18SO did you icad In the Globe-Democrat an aitlcloabout additional eighties 01 supposed land liauds entitled "Maud 1'ioni Under ? " A. Mi. Ilolfmaii , 01 Homo ono olhu had shown mean aitlclo which appealed down thoiu tlmt 1 think ho had written up , and nmdo inonev from the demo- ci.itlo pipoib on these intlclw soiuo one showed it to me , Q. Wns it Mi. Hoffman that showed It to yon ? A. 1 don't Know ; 1 saw an niticlo In homopnpoi ; 1 cannot Mate iho name ol the . about "Stand From Under " ii.ipci , 01 sorno- thing about these claims. Q. Did that cause any feollng on j our pirt ? A. Yes , sh. Q. Was It again at him ? A. I respected him veiy much foi U ; it was a legal buMncbb and It could not htivo boon caulcd in urn other way ; 1 was glad that ho wiote it ; all ol my pap.'ts went thiongh the Intciloi dopait- ment at Washington ; no pupoi passed my hand until It had passed tlnough the mteiloi depaitment and evoiy pnpei came to the I'll si National bink in this city : 1 li.ut Milli'iod thn loisot bi'veial thousand dolhiit. by just Mich men , and that was the reason that I pent llollman theie to buy claims because 1 could not tnibt thu men in that couutiy to buy thorn ; 1 geneially kept my own agents out. men that I thoiuht 1 could c > , ' > lido hi ; at tint tlmo It created a feeling asahist Mi , Holt- man down theio , nnd 1 think they polluted him ; If he Imd any tioublu down thoic , I have an idea that tlmt was the oilglu ot it lathei th in what ho did to me : 1 think that Mi. Hedges felt 111 will against him ; 1 don't know what It w.is , but theie was Miine tiou- bio between them ; they weio veiy mid about these aiticles tlmt he vvioto , Q. Now what you Mated to Mi , Ro ewater dm Ing tlmt com ei nation when ho asked you to recommend someone us a cairospondoiit was all that you told him about this alfali ? A. AVhv , uftor I was thiough with jt I told him that U was ronlnluJiti.il eonuioatloir I did when wo Matted out ; told him not to mala any now spiperai tide out ot Hand Mi , Hosevvntci promised lao he wonld not. Q. Did vou speak to him aftei wards about it ? A. After one article was out I saw nlm on the street und 1 said to him : "Hero , you pinmUed me that you would not make a newapapfr article of that ; " ho laughed and said tlmt that could not bo helped with a man ; 1 told him not to make any moio a'cliM , ; is It was stiirlhc tip bad bloou among f i lends of mine ; I didn't want any moie ; I am inclined to tnitik tint J was in d I street in U'llhig Air. lloscvvater about it in tlo ) begin niny. . r.-r > niKT FWMtv.VTiox nr MH. M in nox. < } . About what time did jou first tell Mr. lloicvvater about this miller to the best of jourrecollectloii ? AIt was Just before or dmliir the IrgiMature. ( J. Ofwhaljeat ? V. A jpar ago wasn't Q. The leslslaturo of last w Inter In the jen lvsV. ' A. Yes sir. Q. About how lone aftei thnt was It before Iheinatterwasmontloned again ? A. When we were talking nboulthtit ho asked If 1 had some of the date * ; 1 told him that 1 had some of the dates and pnpct * , but that I didn't want auv newpoperaitlcle about It ; hosild he would like them as a matter of curiosity , and 1 told him tliat hprould ha\o them If he would keep it to himself ; hn told tli it lie was going to > \ .iihinglon and t was going to bo theio also , and 1 told him tint 1 hid n lot ol thepnpeis In m ) loom , which I did not give to him. ( } . When was the. fust conversation ? A. That was in IVbiuaij when we talked , 1 think , ( J. You loiuembrrtltp Incident of the so- enlled lobbery ofthe state tieasutj ? A. Yes , sii. sii.Q. . Do jou lemembei having any convei- vatloiiwhh Air. lliiscwatri at about the time that jouhcaid ol that liansaction ? A. Yes , sir. ( ) , How loin ; befoie that transaction at the u.i pi to ! would vou think it was tliat jqa had tliat conversation with All. Itoso- watei ? A. I could not IK the dile ; I don't lecollecl just when that tiaiisaction was ; 1 know It wiisiliuhu : thu sitting ot llm session ol the li'glsljlnit' , Ixvausp sonic ol the mom- beis weio used Jot witnesses. < J. Tlntw.it in Alaich , t think ; do jou lecollecl how long befoie that time it was taal von talked with All. IUsU\votci ) \ ? A.I could not tell jon. ( ) . Do jouio'ollect Imvliisru conversation with him altei that llmeat join house ? A. Ye , MiliOM'W.ilei vvns out theie once. Q. And did \oii then ledte these samp facts to him at this conveisitlon at join hottsotheie , do jou lemembei ? A. Inavo foigotten wli.itth.it eouveisiitlou was ; II was especlallj as to dales ; ho tisktd me about the dates. Q. And he asked jou If jou weie not mis taken in the man ; do jou lecollecl of his a < kiug von weio not mistaken In the man ? A. Something was said about being mis taken in the man , but 1 have totgoUcu what 11 was Q. Do jou icmembcr who was pieseiit wheli voti had that tonvcisitlon with All. i'ospvvalpi ut > out house ? A. Ho diove out tlieiewlth ii double team and borne man came witli him. ( J , fould jou lemembiT whethei Alajoi Klnetsch was piescnt ? A. Alajoi Kluttsch was the man. Q. Doion lemembei whotliei these farts weie talked ovoi then ? A. Something was talked about them thai dnj , bid he was afraid ol getting tell ou his tiain , so oui talk was veryhiiuk'd. Q. Was the talk In icgaid to this mattei ? A. Yes , hh ; ami ( Ids slate capitol business was connected with it also. Q. Do jou lecollect about what lime jou weie In Washington when jou saw Mi. Kosewatei ? A , It was in Febiuary. ( } . Febimrj oflbSj ? A. i'c-s. sii. 0. How long nltei that time was it bofoic jon met All. Jiosevvatoi in Lincoln , it you 10- jnember , about" A. 1 think piobably tlnee weeks , something like tliat ; 1 was theio about tlnee weeks. ( ? . The Hist compilation thai yon had withAfi. Uosevvatci was bofoie the leglsla- tnie mctnt nil ? A. 1 believe that the It'gis- latmeat tliat time wasn't In session ; 1 be lieve that It commenced the next week. Q. Air. Hosuvvatei was tijing to lintt a loom , ivisn't he , when this conveitatlon tame up ? A. 1 had a loom , No. ill , ie ei\ed at that time , and when lie was ovci tlieie then this comeiMtlion came up. Q. And the next conveisatlon that jou had with him was in Washington ? A. 1 believe 11 w a s. s.FROM FROM THE STATE CAPITAL. Patrick Egan Intel viewed on the Iiisli Question Those FoigetT Di.ifts Oity Jottiu/ / . nri 's i IVCOLN nunrvu.1 lion. I'.iliiclc J .vn lolurned Satuiday fioni Chlcngo , ivhpio lie has been attcnil- inff the nieeliiiR of the e\ectitive commit- tec of the Ii ish National League. He de nounces as the work of nnleontcnts , the leporl that lie contemplated iCMyning hi& position as pi evident of the league in f.ivor of Alexandei Sullivan. Mr. Egan says that when ho accepted the presidency in August , 1881 , it was at the urgent ic- qiuist of ftiends in JJoslon , and lie look it then with the undoi'slumling that lie should bo allowed to lethe at the. end ol his lust A our. August , Itib1 * , came , and the annual convention was postponed until Jauntily 20 , Ib8i ( , to accommodate. Mr. I'ni'noll. In oitler that tlio body mi bl not bo lett without an ollici.il hi-all iliiung the interim , Mr. Egau coiiM-nted to setve on until liis Miceossor was olcck'd. As ib now well known , the pic- miiluie calling togcllicr of the English puihamcnt piovonteil AJr. J'arnell liom A'i&iting the United Stales , and the con- icnitioa set lor .Jnnii.uy i0 ! vvns iig.iin nostpoued , tins time until August next. The icgiilar meeting ot the exec utive committee called for th.it d.itc , however , was hold , and Mi. J'gan was an active pulioipaiil His gr.iin business in Lincoln ' has , .losiimiMl largo propoi lions , ami' Mr. Egim went lo Chicago cage lullv deleiiniiiPd lo lu.y down the eaics of ollico and return to tiri\itc lite. His colleagues hiiceccdcd ill peisimding him that U resign at thin lime , in the iaco of criticism and attack , would be cousli ued n-5 a confession of weakness , and bc > pioiliiftivo ol li.ul losults to HIP cuu'-o. On this showing Mi. Kg.in ro- bolved to iciniiin at his jiosl as piesideiil pi the league until the annual eomention in August next names lnMieeessor. . That ho over lutil intentions ol going so In i1 us to vii tiuillj name that MiPecsior by resigning in tuvorot nnj one man , Mr. Kgan cinhalically | ileines. Aside liom bcsing probibly ono of ( lie best posted men on loiuigu all'aiis In Amouca , Mr. Eg.in is u p.ultanliu'ly iilcas.int gontlonmn lo meet , uiKlgivesot IIIH knovvlodgn- thn inlcrviuwcr in n convincing anil MitiMacttnv mannor. Slimming uji the situation in ( treat iiiit- tun to the Uix ropiohpntalivo yostoiduy , Mr. Egan siid : that n.s the lilior.iln hud : i innjonty of nighty-two ever thoconsurvu- tivea in parliament , which with llm voles ol thn home inlcrd couhl bo swelled to 103 , ho coii idered Ihoielurnof Gladstone to jiovvor iw promiur very piobable. The Iilbh paity , hovvovur , Ii.til not yet tietl thonisplves lo the supjiort of anyone , and would bi ! eurntiil how Ihey did , us nndor the circumstances they hold the ) > jl- unc ( ) of povvei and can imiKo n majority tor cither hboials or eonsorvatives , ( ilaii- btonc , pioliably mouifiom love for politi cal power than unil intnrosl in Iiolund , is nndoistood to tuvor u sehumn for local feelt government , wlieh | is nil thnt the patiioU hope or look for at thib tinio 'J'hirt Kcliumo embracean lush miliuniPiit which shall legislutii ou nil Jooil ull'iihs , vvhilo tlui cpieen rules on inipeiial mutters , By "local ii/luirs" / is meant logislution per taining to land laws , Jinaiiees , raihoads , police , etc. In fact , lioland wnnU to stand m relation lo the nnpoiial government - mont us Nebiuskii docs lo ( .ho powers at \Vashliinlon \ un inilcpeiulciit Mate , sub- j"ct only to the joins of govcuiment on icu'urnl ( pieitioiis. At pioscnt the people of hcliind cannot move without thu per mission nf the HiitiBh pailininciit , if u city in the ccnlio of the green i lo wants u faystom ot water works , if n road h to be opened , or a hiiilgo limit , the pi ojcci must bo hiul before inrliainont , often tit a eo t exceeding that of the improvement noted. Should GKidMono favor refoi m in this diieclion Mr. Egan thinks the homo inlens will net with tne llhuiaU and give the latter such n malmity that thn ijiiecn will be foicetl to call tluv ( lolil man clothe quent'.to ' the p Of thu ctnulition of Iinland ph ical. social aud linuncial. Mr , ] Xtn tilkt < ( l ul inngth. HiS doooiiption of thu oau.su of the lalulJouU' povvel * in times gene is especially interesting. Men w lie hail become - como lic'h in commerce or speculation had no social standing until they iiciiihvl | ( title to land , whim they took lank with tlio geulry ami rpcelved recognition in many wn s , tfepialli and politically. Ijenco the i nine of land wns constantly increasing , and tlio lent likewise. With the agitation stalled ty the foimation of the L-ind l.camto in lyre , the distinction of being n landlord became unonvinlilui find the feeling of reform in lliisdircctio * Iiasffiovvn osr6ng ( that land thnt for merly sold fust nt sfriOnn acio novy ROC * begging at $100. The land owners are now lignrutiuily clubbing themselves for not accepting the pioposition oll'vicd by the founders of the League. That wns the adoption bj thoctownof the Stein nml llaulenlnug si stem of land ncquircinpnt , lo which the piospcuU of I'uissin can bo tiaced. Pioviotis lo IH11 the condition of that kingdom was vvoi c. if nnything1 , than that of lielnnd in IStfl , nrtd the nngtj mnttotingsof a discontcntod poo- jilc grew louder and louder. SudiUvnly Stein and Ihiideiiburg I'.injp to the front > with n scheme winch banished nil tumbles. Under it tenant and landlord were giv en tvo \ ears in w hieh to ai rive nt nn uiuler ( unillngconeeiniMg the pro- piicloiship of thelnnd. Kailiiig in this the crown stepped in , nppruiscil the renlly , und paid the owner m Mate bonds. The tenant then boimht fiom the eiown , nnd iv as given foity-onu or lifty-onc years In w hien to complete his pav tnonts as ho nilglit elect , piinclpil and inteicfet be ing divide in nnnual installments as un der our pie-enl wcsiein raihoad land contracts Tim heller could dispose of his < . ( ntc bonds in thu open mm ket , und llniM get his money , nnd hence everybody WAS happy. Hiul the land owners in Ireland tulopled this system when o\- tended in 187 ! ) , they "would Imvo been doubly us lieh us the\ , nip now. 'llIOii ; lOKCl.D llK.Vl l.s. The ii'.socialed pi ess dispatch from Kansas Citj , which pi elends lo give the facts of the tuning of $1 1,000 In forged drifts on nn Oinnha bunk , by ono J. Whitney , tells only half the story. Tin * dialts1 were ostensibly drawn li.V the United States National bank of Omaha , on Hie Amcucan IXeliango bank of New Yoik In Iho j course ol business thty leaehetl the Hank y of Commeice , wbicli paid them without ! questioning , to llndon piesenlsilionnt thu Ameiicnn TXehangi ! thlit they weio for- gerii'x. Ab the dialls were indorsed by < | icbablc bankeis , lliiough whoso liuntls i they passed , n number ot lavvsuitb will i piobnbl icsult. mtiii' : MI.MIOX. The city tieasuii was emielicd to the amount ot sfl'.l-I.GO Sat in da * , by the col- lectitni of the monliily blackmail from .spoiling women. .lolin rit/gei.ild has oideicd woik on his Bmliiiglon Missomi \ extension con- ti.iqt noi Hi of Grand Jiland discontinued until bpiing. AlU'iitling n funeral the oilier day the JJt.r. man heuid home of the mouuicrs , fipcnking of the eorijso , say : "llovv nut- nial he looks , " and it ni oiised the thought that it would be much moic hnnianu and kindly weiv thcj able to saytuHh- inlly , "How iiiinutuiul be looks. " When death bus .set his sen ! unmistakably upon our dear onus b ftemling out cvidonecs of moi ( .ideation and dec.iy , we maybe sine Hie. * , Imve deiuuled liom this lite in eninest , and theie is no chance of n leai fill awakening in the tomb with its attendant honois. lh il not piobablo that many people Imvo been buried alive thiough the insane dcsiie of relations , to keep uicm looking "natural" befoie in- Icnnent' The bills iiicui rod in taking cnio of Mrs. Koi ber and her two ehilnien , who were PO badly fio/cn lately , will bo paid by tlie worn m's biothcr , George 1'nncr. Her husband will become ncouiityclnugo asl'irmu letuses to do an. * , thing lor hini , sa.iing he came lo thi& eonntry on _ hia own account , and without being , invited. Jones , the Tenth stiex't billiard loom man. Was in pohco Salnrdaj * on n charge ot allowing Illinois lo play there. Ho was held in .f'iOO bail to appear to day. The people ol Einmetl , Holt comity , have petitioned the railway commission asking that Hie l'i cutout , EllJiom and Missomi Valloi railway bo compelled to build a depot tlieie. Chiisti.in Tittinnii was found guilty in the police com I S.\tntiln\ selling liquor on bi.nday. and lined 'JlOO and costs. An appeal was taken to the district eoiut. Illy and ( Jampbell , Hie Mnson Oily , Iowa , bmglaiv , Imve been taken back to the scene of their c.\pIoitH. MaihhalReach has diminished the en- - nine poiilalion ) of Lincoln some toil head suite ho opened fiie on the cmy. About 75,000 , moie or less , can be spared A Stindiiv Morniiif ; Alai'in. The lire depailinont Was called out hhoillyaltet 11 o'clock yestoid.iy morn ing by tin ahum hounded tromThii tecnth nnd Williams sheets. The ( ire proved lo be in ft smnll dwelling house in thai lo cality , but the llaniOK weio extinguished befoie the department ariivcd , without having caused agi eat amount ol damage. John Dnilcy , a hiienk thief , was cap- tuicd S.ituidni aflcinoon wlnlo endeav oring to get away with n bullafo jobo from Wciht's hainess shop on South Thir teenth stieel. Ho gave his pin snort * a livolyiini , but they overtook him and he gave ii ) ) tlio robe without a mnririur. He vvus locked up nt central polieo station. Railway Time Table OMAHA. Tno follow Injr Is the tlmn of nrrivnl nnd depart - part nroo I trains l > y Olitial Sliincliircl tlmo Mt tliu loctdilopniN. Tinlnsof tlio C. . HI. I' . , M. & O. anltu nml dnpiut Iniin tliolrdopot. coiner ot Hili 11 ml Wolifiti'i-Btioets ; tialnsim tlio U , * M. , O. , II. 4 Q , nna K. ( J. , 8t. ,1. & ( , ' . n. from tlio It , &M.dopoi ; iillotlicisironi tlio Union I'ncitlo douot. nnitlGE TUA1NS. llrlflKn trains will leave d. t * . iloiiot nt 6 : 7 : - -S.ou-S.in-H.W 10:00-11:00 : : a. m. , 1.00 -l.JJ-lDO-ll : 8.00 : i.00--4:0a : 5 00 li:3U" : < M)5- ) eilA-TOd : ll:10p. m. lyciivofranslirlni Omnhn a 7ll2 Ii : IS 0:10 : - : . ' - 10J5-10 : IT llJr : n. m.j lir : 8iia nui7 _ .I.JO 'J3T4:17 : 0:110:15 : : - 7. 0-7:60- : llD'p. : in. Ai rival nml lUiimrtiiin of tiaius liom tlio tiaiihtoi ilt'ot ] nt Council Illudg ; JJIIMHT. AIIIIIVK , rmcvno fc hoiirimi strif , . n.l'i 4. > i Mull nml llM'ios * . . , , 7.0011. M l.40i ; > , M , Aecominoiliitlon . 4JOiM : 6ai' : ; , > i . . . Uvpria . , . . .OUIA.M CIIK V(1O & IIO < K tSl.tM ) , OilS A , M . .JlnlllllKl llxpiosi. , , 7.COP , M 7il5A.il . ( iutuo ; , MIIAVAIIKI'sr. : . IMUI , 0:10 : A. M ijnll iin < IK < ciios3. | . . . 7.UIP.M D'Jf. : M. . , , I\IMOES : . , . , U:15A.M : cniovco , niiiii.iMnoN e. UUINCV. li.JTiA. > i . . .Mill ! nnd Hv | > ioss . fi.'IOi'.M HslOr. M . . . Kvpictn . l ,15M WMUHll.SI. I lll'IS t. I'Al IHC. 2:15 : 11 , M.lxical.M. l < uiiUlA-iiii-"H " ixiciil , . O.WHM.'liiiii t ( i Hi.l ) iilBlx.'tuiiiHtLiiSJi'M ; ; : ( J. JOt ii ( .OLINCII , lllll ! ! TS , " : lj A. M , . , , > l il mid i.V ; | > roK3 , , , , 7.J5P. M ii.OO I1. M . , , I'Aino.S . O.J5A. M hldirx ( lilt. IMI.'IHC. pai.v.M . Klolixltt ) Mull , . 7.00 IM ( 111M , , SI. I'll III I. Xll | I'SJ. . , , , U.J ! V. if A.H , i' . M. I UNION ] 'A ( il 10. i 4 , M. e. K. , . 10:40a : | ) tini'i ! ' i\prois : , 4:10.1 : | 0. H IllU' . VAM.IJV. , (0ii ( .Mnii iitia I\PIin : n. , VM. EilOu .Mallninl OitOl SOtTIIVVAHU , Anlv. ) A.-M. ! i r , M. i.MlPhOl Jtf IMIJjriL' . A M.il'.M. jo.'Mai. . . .I . . .iny Kxpt-ms e. vi bl5li : , . . .N'ltflit Kxiic | 8. ic. r.ST. j , A , O.D. IJMu k [ tb.yiB ! JMnttsmoulh 7.ooal , I ) ( ( > H. _ _ NOHTIMVAHI ) . _ Arrlvo A. n. t -r w. I C. SI' . I' . , M. i , < ) . [ A. M. i e. M. t.30n . I Sjoux ( 'Hi i : iiioii * I . UsJOa , . . . . .I 6 : < 0o Oiibluml AcLiliniiiud'n lO.OOo1- . lO.OOo1AfrlTu " _ AfrlTu * . > I. I' . > l. I * C'l | A. Q. ( A.M. | T' . M. imi _ O.W ) i .Via riAtlgnioutli. . . . 0 SOJ 7J& KlOriC VAllDT TUAINH Will Jiavo I' , J' . iloiiot , Onnliii , nt fi:48:3J : : - . J0li.lU : ! - 'iu. M. ; 2 : 0.1 VJS.iip. . i . l.fiivcSlotk ViuiU foi Oiniili i nt 7:53 10 25 a. in ; 1J.OI ii : ) l40 ; i.07 6.20p.m. hoTKA iinlustlnll ) ; lt , < lnliy vsuopt Sundayi 0. dull ) nxcopt baturaar ; 1) , dully exeunt Mutt
