pegs 8 thureday, november8, 1979 daily nebrsskan Non-traditional students appreciate college By Diane Andersen Assertiveness is essential for the survival of non traditional students on the UNL campus, said three students Wednesday in the Women Speak series sponsored by Students Y. "I'm ambitious, assertive and aggressive," said Pat Rhodes, 27, a senior in psychology who moved to Nebraska in 1978 from Philadelphia to continue her collee college education. "I'm paying for this (her education), and I want to get something out of it,' she said. Rhodes, Diane Myers, 34, and Delores Simpson Kirkland, 28, said many UNL professors don't expect student response and may be hostile when they received it. They said teacher's assistants are often overbearing or are undergraduates who don't know what they are doing. Rhodes said most young (traditional) students who come to UNL right out of high school simply spend time in class and work for a good grade. - 'There's a game to getting through this place," she said. But Rhodes added that she has the freedom at UNL to act as she pleases and no one will notice. THIS IS SO dynamic," Rhodes said. "You can learn in a very active way if you want to. I would never have appreciated this education seven years ago," she said. Rhodes worked as a critical care nurse for 10 years before retuning to school, a job she called "very confining" and a "subordinate type of role." Myers, an educational administration major, came to UNL despite a $17,000 salary as the director of services for the Lincoln Action Group and a son, 17, whom she said she is trying to convince to finish high school. "It (UNL) is quite a challenge," Myers said. "I would feel a lot more at ease if I was working." Myers said her second husband has been supportive of her educational efforts, but she has faced some problems, including being "hit on" by men who think she is younger, receiving grades she thought were unfair and Ginzburg Continued from Page 1 He said the SALT II agreement "represents a danger for the United States, but maybe Americans like danger." As a student of American-Soviet relations, Ginzburg said he knows the Soviet Union has never fully carried out a bilateral agreement with the U.S. "It (an agreement) is only carried out to the point where it benefits the Soviet Union to do so," he said, Soviet foreign relations and defense spending are gear ed toward war, he said, but he added he didn't know if the country would ever use nuclear weapons against another nation. "The Soviet Union isn't preparing for war, it's carrying out war already," Ginzburg said. "Do you really think the war in Angola was carried out by Angolans, or the war in Ethiopia was carried out by Ethiopians? They were carried out by Angolan hands, but when there weren't enough hands, the Russians sent in the Cubans." Ginzburg called himself a "retired Soviet dissident" be cause he no longer risks his life by protesting. Thousands in the Soviet Union take such risks, he said, as evidenced by the 10,000 political prisoners in prison camps. Other thousands risk their jobs by signing letters of dissent. Yet dissenters have hope, mixed with cynicism. When he was with fellow dissidents in the Soviet Union, he sometimes would "drink a toast to our hopeless cause," Ginzburg said. . He said he didn't expect any lifting of human rights re strictions after Community Party Chairman Leonid Brezhnev dies. "In my opinion, the party chairman was dead a long time ago," Ginzburg said. "That is to say, he collapsed physically and intellectually a long time ago. Therefore, there must exist some political presence behind him." "So after Brezhnez is gone, they can find another puppet to take his place," he said, nervously tapping his cigarette. Ginzburg's $4,000 speaking fee was paid by student fees, with the consent of the chancellor, -according to Tony Warner, advisor to the University Program Council. un-rtnrvratiVA nrofeSSOTS. 'I've had to periodically wrap my legs with ace band, ages," Myers said, in order to keep up with the younger students running from one end of the campus to the other. She also said it is hard for non -traditional students to And a place that is comfortable to relax and talk with students with common interests. "I'm probably the only student on campus that comes to class every day," she said, adding that it is hard for her to understand attitudes of some traditional students who destroy UNL property or set bulletin boards on fire. "YOU STUDENTS SHOULD have some sense of pride," Myers said, comparing students to tenants who will soon be leaving an apartment and don't care what happens to it. Kirkland, who is working on her doctoral degree in school psychology, said she is a non -traditional student in several ways. She is a woman doctoral candidate, black, from New York City, and has a baby daughter and a hus band. ; . When Kirkland came to UNL in 1975 and found she didn't have an assistantship, she said she "sat on the chair , man's neck for about a week" until she got one. Perseverance has been her pattern since high school, when she said a counselor told her to go to etiquette school instead of college. Kirkland said every step of her education has been discouraged by others, but she has kept on going. 'They wanted to make me into a mold that I was not," she said. "Counselors, women and minorities were at the bottom of the barrel." Kirkland also said women who go after doctoral degrees are considered aggressive, while men who do the same thing are admired, . "Aggressive to me is beating somebody up," Kirkland said. "And I hardly do that." Kirkland, a full-time counselor for Multi-Cultural Affairs, said support for non-tradtional students at UNL is minimal. The three women said support groups for older students would be benefiicial. The women said younger students often ask them for advice, as if older students are automatically wiser in all areas. "Registration used to just drive me nuts," Myers said. But the women said coming back to school after working and living in the "real" world has been good for them. Rhodes said she has a nine -year-old daughter whom she will encourage "to get out and experience life" before college, based on her experience. "Mini"'. m tun Smoking 0i Sim (Poros VtacDy The University group that collects the most Coors cans, bottles, and keg receipts will win,... 1st Prizo ... . . 9300 Bonus 2nd Prlzo . . . . . 0200 Bonus 3rd Prizo . . . . . 0100 Bonus flth Prlzo .... . 050 Bonus PLUS 5071b. for Coors cans, bottles, and receipts Continued from Page 1 Because of the hazards of smoking, the health center does offer smoking clinics, Bare said. If the student health center can get six people to agree on .a time to meet, they will help the students quit smoking. He said the class meets for five days and costs $10. The students get $2 back each day the great amertcan smokeout they attend the meetings. The program is financed by students who stop attending meetings.. Bare said the group uses positive rein forcement instead of scare tactics to quit smoking. He said the students plan strate gies one day at a time and try to determine with teach student why he smokes. The health center also will give free x-rays of lungs to student smokers. The effects of the poisons in every cigarette are reversable and if the student does quite smoking his lungs should be normal in about six months, Bare said. Bare said he doesn't ever expect cigar ette's to be declared an illegal drug. "The law has trouble protecting people from themselves," he said. "To put strong controls on cigarettes would only start underground sales and probably have an even worse effect," The only control Bare said he would like to see is to stop subsidizing the $80 million given each year to tobacco farmers. Call Coors for Pick Up 474-6600 PC3 RUNNING CENTER FOR MEN 8- WOMEN 0 Shoes Up to 40 off o Running Shorts & Tops 20 to 40 off Hooded Sweatshirts 10 off Nik. . New BaLnc - Adidas - Sarcony . Dolfin & Sub 4-Frank Shorter-Bill Rootrt-Moving Comfort mfc