' ONSIDERp' ' jyouKEtri i lt?TT?r77F! T x x A lone sign THURSDAY, OCTOBER 16, Dr. Ivan Volgyes L fa, v f. N ! 1 iHigh Moratorium march draws 4,000 people In the cold, Wednesday afternoon rain approximately four thousand people mcrched to the state capitol In support of the National Vietnam Moratorium. The demonstrators met at Love Library about 3:30 p.m. and formed the line of march down thirteenth street. Most wore raincoats or carried umbrellas and one carried a gas mask. It took thirty minutes for the entire line to reach its destination and it stretched the entire distance from the Library to the Capitol for fifteen minules. Traffic bucked Traffic was backed for several blocks along streets intersecting the march route. A number of cars began blowing their horns, but the demonstrators remained quiet and orderly. As the line moved there were sev eral comments from people watching the demonstration. One man ex claimed: "Is the police escorting these sons of bitches?" A dialogue between two old men standing in a doorway was: "Whose urmy were you in?" "The United States Army in World War I." At the capUol, the crowd stood quietly in the rain until all the pro testors had arrived. They comple ely filled the north steps and spilled to the area across K street. Shortly after 4 p.m. Dr. Clarence J. Forsbeig, pasior of St. Paul's Methodist Church, began the peace vigil with an invocation. Then 350 names of Nebraska war dead were read to the silent crowd. XX protrudes above the umbrellas that 1969 The ting for ideals-4poppycock' says iin.Li iulu J,y RjH Smitheriliail "PonnVfnfW Mr Nlxiiii That I. a Th by Bill Smilheruian Nebraskan Staff VVrld-r "Most of us are ready to get out of Vietnam," Alan Siporan of the moratorium steering committee began. "We are here to get the facts so that we can convince others." More than 2,500 people listened to Siporan, other speakers and music in the Union Centennial Room preceding the march to the capitol during the Vietnam moratorium Wednesday. Dr. Ivan Volgyes, assistant pro fessor of political science, was the most popular speaker judging from the audience reaction. "I'd like to tell you of the dream of an immigrant," he said. "Myself, thirteen years ago." lie said that he came to the United States In search of ideals. These were "that all men were created equal, all men have the right to govern themselves and all men have the right to justice." Cannot believe "We are told we are fighting for these very ideals In Vietnam", he continued. "I cannot believe this." "I see over 40,000 Americans killed and ask why," he said. Nixon says there will be freedom, justice and democracy in Vietnam when the United States has won the war, Volgyes said. Ihe rain began to fail harder, but very few demonstrators left. After twenty minutes of reading, the crowd dispersed as silently as it had come. During the demonstration, about 25 anti-demonstrators from Lincoln Southeast High Scrool held pro-war and anti demonstration signs. Some of the signs read "Better Dead Than Red", "Don't Abandon Our War Dead" and "Moratorium Day Day of Shame." Ron Anderson, spokesman for the Southeast students, said that his group was trying to show that there Is another side to the war issue. Equal time He said that the anti-demonstration group was formed after school Mon day. The Southeast High School moratorium committee called the group together because they needed someone to take equal time against the moratorium, he explained. The moratorium group at Southeast wore black arm bands, he said. His group wore red, white and blue ones. He added that the school ad ministration had given Individual teachers the option to dismiss their, classes so group members could at tend the anti-war demonstration. However, the group chose to remain in class as a further protest against the moratorium, he said. Mike Shonsey, chairman of tie University moratorium steering com mittee, commented that the "turnout and attitude of the people have been tfroat imMinwniw Hi 'in'' " 1 1 hi ' ' w mntMWMwMmiinmMMMiniii' i n cm.ii.Mi' n'nMirMrT'7iiM n t' "'-t ' ...., r. -,.,. .. ...rir moratorium marchers used to defend 111 LINCOLN, "Poppycock, Mr. Nixon. That is a lie , he added. There is only one way that American boys will not have died in vain, he continued. "We must take this war as a lesson and learn from it. "There have been criticisms that the Moratorium members give aid and comfort to the enemy. But re.aHv. we give aid and "comfort only to what is the best element in America." Lost at home "This country was born in revolu tion and based on the right of dissent," ho continued. "If we no longer believe in this right we have lost the war at home, not in Vietnam. He said that America has always cherished its voices of disagreement and he urged all those present to let the President hear their voices. "Show the President that you believe in America," Volgyes con tinued. "As a proud American say not 'my country, right or wrong," but 'my country - let us make her ngnx. Black Student Alan Buckingham asked those In the crowd if they realized what it was like for a black man fighting in Vietnam. "They say you're fighting for freedom, but black children in Mississippi can't go to school without having rocks thrown at them," ho shouted. He said that the only thing students seem concerned with is Vietnam. Look at problems right here at home, he continued. Siporin, one of the student organizers of the meeting, said that one of the worst things about the war Is that it takes our attention away from those problems at home. "When you talk about Vietnam you re talking about America." com mented Dr. Robert Keohane. Keohane is a member of the National Moratorium, Committee and a pro fessor at Swarthmore College. Americans are arrogant in their in sistance that they are right, he said, this has been one of the reasons wbv we are still in Vietnam, he continued. Keohane said that the demonstra tion in Nebraska was more important than those on the east and west coasts. More impuct He explained that Nebraska has been solid "Nixon Country" and t h a t a demonstration here will have more impact than one in traditional non Nixon areas. Keohane also said that national policy makers have been deluding themselves. In a great many Instances they have believed Vietnam War in te'ligence reports that are not correct, he said. He explained that such reports come from bureaucrats cut to prove that they did a good job. Reporters who have seen for themselves usually know more than men who have read the intelligence reports, he added. "If you have read the newspapers and magazines you probably know more than President Nixon who is held prisoner by his own misinforma tion agencies", Keohane said. Edgar Pearlstein, instructor in physics, spelled out a number of facts and presented pro and con arguments to the crowd. against the rain. Nebraskan photo by Mike Hayman NEBRASKA There are manv reasons for trotlint? out of Vietnam, he said, and some are idealistic and some are pragmatic. Over 4D.0CI) Americans have been killed in Vietnam, he continued. Over 250. (X'D have been wounded. Vietnamese dead are from 5(10 to COO thousand, Pearlstein said. There are also many thousands of dead 'civiJi"rt.' '- - - The United States is spending some $.')0 billion a year on the war, he said. He broke this down to $000 per family per year. "There are about 30 million men, women and children in Vietnam," Pearlstein said. "This means that we are spending $1,000 on each person in Vietnam to destroy their country. "This money Is being worse than thrown away," he continued. "It is being used to destroy other valuable things including human life." Blood bath Considering the prediction of a blood bath of South Vietnamese loyalists if the U.S. withdraws, Pearlstein said he had a number of points to make. He pointed out that there has already been a blood bath In Vietnam for the past eight years because of ? P u ,41 " i Two marchers patiently wait for the march to begin. When the Union crowd moved outside, much of the handout literature and other debris was left behind. ... ?-.). f ( .... frr-v w 4vt frk AZ, i The march started slightly ahead of schedule when Union accom modations became overcrowded. Ibroslho the war. "If we persist with the present policy it will mean a continued blood bath for many years," he said. However, he explained a number of ways to avoid the blood bath. The money now being used to light the war could be used to transfer the supposed victims from the country or some other plan could be devised, " he said.' " " - Pearlstein also spoke of the "domino theory." He said that only the most unlettered hawks are still using this argument. The theory assumes that a 1 1 Southeast Asian people are alike and this is not true, he said. No history supports the theory, Pearlstein added and it overlooks the fact that China and the Southeast Asian countries are traditional enemies, he said. "We have heard a lot of talk about peace with honor," Pearlstein con tinued, "However, those who use the phrase never define exactly what they are talking about. We may only tell what they mean by 'honor' from con text." Pearlstein said that the first precept in this concept of honor is saving face. Tiie second precept is that America has never lost a war and f y r J ;rxh Ffcivi 1-f n .n.a ii U4 . 4 :i ' U.,7 Vol. 93, No. 17 Volgyes shouldn't start now. The third is that 40,000 Americans should not have died in vain. "These deaths are all tragedies, but I can't see how piling 40.000 more on top of them will help," Pearlstein continued. Loss of honor "The U.S. Itwt -TrtTWtrf lost cons iderable honor in Vietnam," he added. "Every day that we stay there we are losing more." He continued that all we can do about gaining honor is stop the dishonor and then regain honor through truly good deeds. "You are the generation in a militaristic society," Pearlstein said. "I hope your children will not be the third generation in a militaristic society." "All the present policies can lead to is year after year of war", he continued. "Eventually we will have to get out. Why not now." William B. Campbell, assistant professor of physics, urged those at the meeting to take place in the march to the capitol. "Young Americans are dying in the rain in Vietnam," he said, "You can gel your feet wet today." .x , I. 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