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Wednesday, March, 9, 1966
The Doily Nebraskan
Vol. 31, No. 76
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Forum: Ginsberg Important As
'Poet Or Instigator Of Ideas?'
The importance of Allen
Ginsberg as a poet in t h e
technical sense and as an in
stigator of ideas was d i s -cussed
at a forum Tuesday in
the Nebraska Union.
Dr. Robert Narveson, assis
tant professor of English; Dr.
Clay Gerken, director of the
University counseling service;
and Steve Abbott, editor of
Scrip literary magazine com
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A FOUR-MEMBER . . . student and professor panel discussed the influence
of Allen Ginsberg on the University campus and his merits as a poet.
China Needs Delivery System
Before Starting War With U.S.
By Kelley Baker
Red China won't be ready
to fight the United States un
til they have an effective
delivery system for their
bombs, according to Dr. Soo
Sung Cho.
Cho, visiting assistant pro
fessor of social science, spoke
on the recent developments
concerning Red China at a
Wesley Foundation confer
ence Tuesday afternoon in the
Nebraska Union.
He said that "China will
probably tolerate U.S. pres
ence in Viet Nam as long as
the North Vietnamese govern
ment remains communist and
U.S. forces refrain from
crossing the border."
Quoting several sources,
Cho proposed that Red
China's present aim is to dis
engage the American policy
of encirclement and contain
ment in Southeast Asia.
China, he said, is trying to
engage the United States in
a protracted war with other
countries and creates numer
By Julie Morris
Senior Staff Writer
One campus male recently
facetiously suggested that Stu
dent Health Center begin dis
tributing birth control pills if
women's hours are extended.
Commenting on the sugges
tion, a coed said, "Why wait
until they extend hours, let's
distribute them now."
These students' opinions
may be typical of student at
titudes and opinions concern
ing the "pill" and its relation
to them.
Relevant To Students
Then, again, they may be
isolated examples, but the
fact that the statements were
made In public suggests that
students do know about the
pill, are thinking about it and
feel that It has some relevance
to their lives.
Devices to prevent concep
tion have been available for
years. The oral contraceptive,
the most sophisticated meas
ure yet developed, was Intro
duced five years ago. Since
then, It hai become almost a
way of life for thousands of
women.
The pill can be used for a
sustained period of about 18
months without serious health
hazards, according to a local
obstetrician. Contraception is
not the only use, he noted. It
Attitud
posed the panel moderated by
Liz Aitken. They discussed
topics ranging from Gins
berg's literary style to the le
galizing of marijuana.
Narvson said that he
doubted if Ginsberg would be
considered a great poet "as
his poems are better heard
than read."
'Charged With Message' "
"The importance of G i n s-
if
ous crises around the globe,
"but I seriously doubt that
China is preparing to wage
direct war with the United
States because she is weak
compared to American and
doesn't have an effective long
range delivery system."
Cho said the Chinese want
to force the United States in
to expensive commitments
which require as little invol
vement on China's part as
possible. Through the policy
of attrition and protracted
war, they will try to drain
America of resources and
energy.
"Ho Chi Minn must follow
the Chinese line as long as
war continues in his country.
Confronted with the power of
the United States, Ho must
use the might of Red China's
millions to bolster his bar
gaining power," he said.
lie said that there is good
ground to believe that when
the war ends the Russians
will have more influence in
North Viet Nam than the
Chinese. He cited a history of
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Control
es To wan
may also be utilized as a me
dication for various health
reasons.
Doctor's Prescription
Birth control pills cannot be
obtained .without a doctor's
prescription, according to Dr.
S. I. Feunning, medical di
rector of the Student Health
Center.
Virtually all pharmacies
carry them, Feunning said.
There are seven different
brands available. Pharmacies
normally stock the brands
most used in the community.
The pharmacy at the Stu
dent Health Center diupenses
birth control pills on prescrip
tion, Feunning said. Like oth
er drugs from the pharmacy,
they are sold to students at
a reduced rate.
According.to Feunning, co
eds generally obtain prescrip
tions from their private phy
sicians. How they get the
prescriptions is not a matter
for the pharmacy to decide,
he said. "The responsibility
for prescribing a drug is that
of the physician."
Pharmacy Keeps Record
The possibility of a pill
"black market" Is small,
Feunning sadi. "It would be
extremely difficult to estab
lish a black market through
legitimate channels." Fucnn
Ing explained Oat prescrip
berg is not whether he will
be considered great," said
Abbott," but that he is so
charged with his message.
When he spoke, he hypnotized
the audience and attempted
to wake us from our moral
slumber."
Miss Aitken pointed out
that the controversial poet
who jpoke at the University
last m..th "packed the ball-
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Indo-Chinese-Chinese enmity
and suggested that Ho Chi
Minh will seek the position
of an independent communist
when hostilities cease.
Discussing Russia's refusal
of the United States' plea to
negotiate a peace settlement
in Viet Nam, Cho suggested
that the USSR has a great
deal to gain from the drain
ing of United States' re
sources. He said that everyone
should watch the results of
the World Communist Party
Congress on March 25 to note
the official communist stand
on war with the United States
and the wars of national lib
eration. Asked what changes Red
China will make in her for
eign policy after the recent
setbacks in Indonesia and
Ghana, Cho replied that "Red
China will probably pursue
the line of approach it is us
ing presently. In fact, the
recent incident in Ghana
may have the effect of con
solidating her position more.''
Pills
tions are normally issued for
a three month period and that
the pharmacy keeps a record
of the purchase date, refus
ing a refill until the time lim
it is up.
"Any drug can be abused,"
Feunning admitted.
An official at the Lincoln
Family Service Association
said that mothers of girls
sometimes obtain prescrip
tions for their daughters. Pre
scriptions can also be ob
tained by unmarried whomcn
who are given the pill as a
medication.
In some cases, women who
are engaged to be married
may get prescriptions for
birth control pills. This is de
termined on an individual ba
sis, however, Feunning said.
The availability of birth
control pills and a subsequent
decline in moral standards
"just doesn't follow" Fr. Ray
mond Hain, director of t h e
Newman Center, said.
'Doesn't Solve Problems'
"The pill is being discussed
too much as the solution to
and the cause of all prob
lems," Fr. Bain said. It is
sometimes looked to as the
Justification of sexual rela
tions outside of marriage as
it removes the hazard of con
ception. An individual may
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room, but how many of the
people went to hear him, and
howmany went because they
heard he was different?"
''It should be pointed out
that while many came to
scoff, they stayed to pray,"
answered Narveson. "After
of poetry reading, there was
general applause and that
in itself is significant."
The unconventionally of
Ginsberg's dress ad social
attitudes were questioned as
to their purpose.
Tost or Playboy'
"Ginsberg pointed out one's
concern about the public im
age and what one really is,"
said Abbott. "Whether one
takes on the conventions of
Emily Post or Playboy, there
is bound to be some division
within one's self and it is eas
ier to follow the crowd."
He added that Ginsberg be
lieves that if one is his real
self and doesn't worry about
what others think, he will be
a better person.
"We hear words like free
dom and real self, but what
are we talking about?" asked
Gerken. "Aren't we confusing
Ginsberg's right to say what
he wishes with freedom? By
definition, one is always ones'
self. There is no such thing
as a free human being. One
believes he's free by follow
ing certain rituals to m e
sure."
Narveson noted that there
seem to be two attitudes con
cerning how man is most
valuable either by "follow
ing the dictates of his heart
or by conforming to estab
lished traditions."
"How do I know the dic
tates of my heart?" replied
Gerken. 'How do you know?"
'Four-Letter Words'
Questions were asked re
garding whether "the four
letter words" employed by
Ginsberg were necessary to
relay his message, or were
there for the shock value.
They discussed exactly what
that message was.
Gerken said that the poet's
message was that people
should not be made means,
but ends in themselves.
"We don't really need the
message," he added, "We
know that ourselves. It's how
to deal with the message that
we don't know."
Narveson added that the
terms Ginsberg uses are not
really that necessary, and tha
Walt Whitman was able to
imply much without ever us
ing them.
A Iter
orals
feel that there is no bar to
sexual promiscuity.
"If we have the correct
conceptions of sex then we
have no problem with the
pill," Fr. Hain said.
The official from the Fam
ily Service Association postu
lated that "50 per cent of our
unwed mothers are college
students." He suggested that
pregnancies among students
are due, not to sexual pro
miscuity, but to the habit of
"steady" dating.
Morals Already Established
The morals of society in re
lation to sexual behavior are
established, Fr. Hain said.
The pill is not what caused
the morals. It is merely used
by some individuals as a ra
tionalization or a scapegoat
for low sex morals.
The pill, he said, is being
used as "an easy answer to
a difficult problem." A con
traceptive for use by men has
been available for years and
widely used. He said the com
mercial product has been dis
tributed widely, particularly
In Kansas where vending ma
chines with the product are
part of every service station.
The use of this device, said
FY. Hain, did not draw the
attention and indignation that
birth control pills do now.
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Juhn Selected By FTP
People to People has select
ed Tae-sung (David) Juhn
of Seoul, Korea, as the new
student of the month.
Juhn received his M.A. de
gree in political science in
January and is now working
for his doctorate degree. He
plans to teach in Korea.
While attending the Univer
sity, he has been a student
assistant in Selleck, Cathcr
and Abel. His other activities
include staff member of the
1965 freshman summer orien
tation program, a Nebraska
International Asso
ciation chairman and coordi
nator of the N.I.A. book ex
change program.
He was graduated from
Yonsei University, Seoul, in
1957 with a political science
Senate To
''Relations'
A report by the student-faculty
relations committee will
be presented at the Student
Senate meeting Wednesday
afternoon.
"Our committee this year
has been primarily an inves
tigative one," said K a t h y
(Weber) Frank, chairman of
the ASUN student-faculty re
lations committee. "We're
simply going to present our
report and make no resolu
tions at this time."
The committee has looked
into questions such as what
is happening between the stu
dents and faculty and what
should be done.
Mrs. Frank added that ov
er one hundred questionnaires
were sent to both campus
leaders and students selected
at random to determine how
the students view student fac
ulty relations.
"We expected distinct diff
erences and we found them
between the campus leaders
or control group and the ran
domly selected students, be
tween men and women, and
between freshman and upper
classmen," she said.
The committee also looked
into the role of the college
advisory boards and academ
ic programs such as the hon
ors program.
Company Gives
Chemistry Grant
The University has received
a grant to provide annual $4,
000 teaching assistantsihips in
chemistry aind chemical en
gineering from tlie Jefferson
Chemical Co., Inc. of Houston,
Texas.
Dr. Jaimes C, Olson, asso
ciate dean of the University's
Graduate College, said the
graduate teaching fellowships
will be alternated between the
Chemistry and chemical en
gineering departments.
Students receiving these as
flistanitehips will be known as
Jefferson Chemical Teaching
Fellows. The program its
mdwidulcd to begin hi Septem-'ber.
major. "I chose political sci
ence because at the time I
graduated from high school,
Korea was just beginning to
have a democratic form of
government."
Before coming to the Unit
ed States in September 1963,
Juhn was a translator and
language instructor. He was
a VIP Briefing Officer in the
Korean Air Force and coun
selor to the Air Force Acad
emy cadets.
He attended the 1964 Repub
lican National Convention by
invitation of the U. S. State
Department.
Juhn will speak and show
slides at the FTP student-to-student
meeting, next Tues
day at 4:30 in the Nebraska
Union.
Hear
Report
"It is well-known that as
the campus increases in size,
student - faculty relationships
will diminish," she said. "Our
purpose in this study is two
foldto alert students to the
possible channels of student
faculty relations and to in
crease student awareness of
what is happening on other
campuses."
Mrs. Frank added that a re
port on activities on other
campuses and proposals per
taining to this campus will
probably be presented "some
time in April."
Other business to come be
fore Student Senate Wednes
day includes discussing wheth
er or not to participate in a
meeting of the Associated Stu
dent Government of the Unit
ed States and the selection of
three candidates for the Alum
ni Association's life member
ship award, according to Kent
Neumeister, ASUN president.
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Money Factor Prompts
Abel Council Decision
The Abel Hall executive
council voted unanimously
Monday night to stand by
their decision not to support
the plans for an interdorm
dance on May C.
Last week, Abel Hall re
fused to appropriate $150 to
the interdorm social commit
tee for the dance, because
"M50 is too much money for
this dance," according to Tom
Holeman, Abel Hall president
Holeman explained that Ab
el would support a dance with
less expensive combos, and
that Abel's executive commit
tee reconsidered their action
by request of the Ir'rdorm
Coordinating Committee, but
stuck to their original deci
sion "for the same reasons
we had last week."
Future action for the inter
dorm sociul committee was
to have been decided Tues
day night, according to John
Decker, comnittee chairman,
"Since Alttf has suid they
Officials
Stop
Jobcorps
The Northern Natural Gas
University proposal for a Job
Corps Center at Lincoln has
been "terminated ' and Uni
versity officials say they are
not interested in another site.
In a news release Monday
Lincoln Mayor Dean Peter
sen said that "all negotiations
with the Office of Economic
Opportunity for accomplish
ment of the Job Corps pro
posal thereof and forthwith
are finally terminated."
The statement came after
the advisory committee of the
Lincoln Opportunity Team
asked that the Northern Nat
ural Gas-University proposal
for a Job Corps center at the
Lincoln Air Force Base be
withdrawn.
University Vice Chancellor
G. Robert Ross said he doubts
that the University will be in
terested in pursuing its asso
ciation with the proposal at a
different site.
However Rep. Clair Callan
said Monday that "If Lincoln
doesn't want the Job Corps to
locate at the Lincoln Air Force
Base, then we will investigate
the possibility7 of another site
in Nebraska."
J. O. Grantham, manager
of long-range manpower plan
ning for Northern and director-designate
of the proposed
center, said Northern would
also continue to pursue the
Xerogram itself and look for
another site.
Women
To Vote
Today
Elections will be held
today for AWS president
and board positions, Women's
Athletic Association (WAA)
officers and May Queen.
These elections will all be
held in the Nebraska Union
lounge near the Pan Ameri
can Room and in the East
Union from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m.
All University women are
eligible to vote for the top
AWS officer and board
positions representing both
their class and living area next
year.
Women who have partici
pated in at least three intra
mural sports during the past
yeac can vote for the WAA
positions and all junior and
senior women are eligible to
vote for May Queen.
Three candidates are run
ning for AWS president. They
are: Barb Beckmann, Pam
Hedgecock and Diane Smith.
The ten finalists for May
Queen are Cheryll Crosier,
Susie Cunningham, L y n n e
Irish, Karen Johnson, Di Kos
man, Susie Moore, Linda
Muff, Mary Kay Rakow, Su
san Stuckey and Susie Young.
The WAA candidates are
the offices they are running
for are: Ginny Hoyer and
Marti Huges, president; San
dy Hyland and Susie Yetman,
secretary; Nancy Converse
and Sudie Holman, treasurer.
will support another dance,"
he added, 'I am reasonably
confident that there will be a
dance that night.'
He explained that his group
would probably discontinue
plans for using the original
two combos and revise the
budget to provide for luring
local combos.
"With local combos, the
dance will be approximately
one half the original cost,"
estimated Decker.
He also said that at Tues
day night's meeting, the so
cial committee would probab
ly be incorporated under the
Interdorm Coordinating Com
mittee. "We will have to submit our
proposed new budget to the
committee which would in
turn refer it to the individual
balls for approval," said
Decker. "Plans should be
completed and decided on by
the halls by next week."
