The daily Nebraskan
Send the Band
to Notre Dame
Send the Band
to Notre Dame
TXXIVNO. 29.
QUESTIONS USE
OF SORORITIES
Women's Pan-Hel Association
Thinki Subscription Com.
petitions Unfair.
COUNCIL IS ASKED
TO MAKE RULINGS
A resolution questioning the falr
;eM ,d good taste of competitive
LmpsiKM among women s fraterni
Zt was passed at a meeting of the
women's Pan-Hellenic Association
held yesterday at 1 o'clock. The sub
rt.nce of the resolution follows:
The Woman's Pan-Hellenic Associ
ation questions the fairness and good
tute of the present practice of pro
moting sales for student undertak
ings by seeking to foster a spirit of
tater-group rivalry among members
of women's fraternities. When sub
notions are to be solicited for
eaicpus publications and other pro
jects the practice has been to estao
lish sales competition between soror
ities. This has gone so far in some
years as to amount to an exploitation
0f women students, especially fresh-
"The Women's Pan-Hellenic Associ
ation suggests that the matter of
wiles campaigns be handled by the
Student Council which may , either
call for volunteers or appoint sales
committees. It also suggests that
man as well as woman students be
represented on these committees and
that non-fraternity as well as fra
ternity members be given an oppor
tunity to serve on them. The prac
tice of giving to fraternity members
what amounted to a monopoly of the
valuable experience to be had from
participation in student activities is
not a practice of which the Women's
Pan-Hellenic Association approves.
Dorothy Brown, who was secre
tary of Pan-Hellenic last year,
brought the suggestion of Valkyrie
that Pan-Hellenic was the organiza
tion which should take up this mat
ter. DECLARES DAVIS IS'
GAINING STRENGTH
Judge Thomas, Democratic
Senatorial Nominee, Says
LaFolIette Is Losing.
"LaFollette is losing and Davis is
gaining strength every day," Judge
J. J. Thomas, Democratic nominee
for Senator, told the University
Davis-Bryan Club at a luncheon in
the Grand Hotel yesterday noon.
About fifty were present Ralph G.
Brooks, a University law student, in
troduced the speaker.
Judge Thomas expressed his ap
preciation of the interest taken in
politics by "the students and declared
that the highest duty of every young
man is to take an active and intelli
gent interest in such matters.
"It is not the number of people
who go to the polls, but the number
who vote intelligently,'.' he continued,
sny of tMhe weaknesses of our gov
ernment are due to the fact that the
American people have not watched
its development as closely as they
should.
He criticised the foreign policy of
the present administration and ex
pressed the opinion that European
conditions are one of the primary
causes of our present dilemma.
"I am especially glad to see so
many young women interested in pol
itics," Judge Thomas declared. "Wo
men are good at ouse-cleaning and
we need a house-cleaning in politics."
JUNIORS HAVE
HAD PHOTOS HADE
Only Two and One-half Weeks
Left in Which pictures
Can Be Taken.
Two hundred and twenty-five Jun
iorm tinva imA tnVpn.
Only two and one-half weeks are left
in which junior pictures may be
taken. November 12 is the final date
for Junior sittings.
It is impossible for the editor to
nuke any exceptions to this rule be
cause the panels will have to be made
BD immHitolv mttar Hnnmbrr 12
and sent to the engraver. The editors
have no ontion in thie matter be
cause the engraving and photography
contract both provide that these pic
tures must be taken before this date.
The same rule applies to sororities,
wun the exception of pledges, who
taav t AAA tv. nf l.i.r The
wnts it understood that every
woman should go to the studio as
" signed her sororitT remrdleae of any
assignment made by the other ec-
on editors.
Both studios are doing the same
quality of work, and the price is the
same at each rtudio. Students must
fo to the studio assigned, however,
in order to equalise tie work be
Son John Writes Home to Ask Dad to
Attend Banquet and Missouri Game
Just a line to let you know that I want you to be
he here this RaturriAV. Nnvpmhiir 1. fnr "nnHn' Tlnv atit
ouuu luuiuun game.
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We have set this day aside
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are tv u uie guest ui me enure
annual even-, anu a opctiai ecutiuii lino uecu ect aomc m mc
new Memorial Stadium so that you and I may sit together at
the game.
There will be a banquet at the Armory at noon and sev
eral good speakers including Coach Dawson, director of ath-
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leucs, uean n.ngterg, ana i. a. Miner, ex-regent, win mm. ai-
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ler me uauu.uei we win uver .u tne otauiuui anu n ui
will undoubtedly be the most important game of football in the
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Missouri vauey mis season, rNeurasiia agains. misauuii.
A lie uauyuc, la w tuaucu bins jrcai num vwi j
because we are going to be seated at tables and we are going to
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nave tne women anu uieir uauu uiuuk witn us. uvcijrwno .o
asking his dad to be here Saturday so you won't be alone.
Be sure and come down, Dad, because all the rest will be
here, and I'll feel rather out of place if I don't have you with
me.
WRIGHT WINS FIRST
IN TENNIS SINGLES
Defeats Grace Modlin in Wom
en's Championship; I
Ranking Player.
Ruth Wright, '27,
Mendota, 111.,
tennis-singles
won the women s
championship Tuesday afternoon by
defeating Grace Modlin, '28, Ulysses
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fi-2: 4-6: 6-4. This victory gives the
champion first place in the ranking I
ten players and makes sophomores
class champions.
Accurate placement shots, ace
services, and hard drives brought the
champion the first and last sets. By
forcing her opponent to play back
hand, Miss Wright was able to take
many points.
Hard-fought deuce games marked
the last two sets of the match. The
runner-up did not find herself until
the second set but a rally gave her
that score. She will place second in
the ranking ten. Grace Modlin, the
runner-up, put Claire Miller out of
the running in a semifinal match
played Monday, winning 4-6; 6-3
6-1.
The women's doubles tournament
will be slaved off by classes this
week, the freshmen playing the jun
iors, and the sophomores playing tne
seniors.
MORE JUNIORS ARE
ASSIGNED STDDIOS
frm "Ricker" to
"Shaw" Inclusive Must Keep
Appointments Thursday.
Seventy juniors have been assigned
to Hauck's and Townsend's studios to
have their picture taken for the jun
ior section of the 1925 Cornhusker
tomorrow. Those assigned for Thurs
day are as follows:
Towntend Studio.
Ricker, John; Rickley, Ralph;
Riliv. Hueh: Ripley, Clara; Kips,
Merle: Ristine, Paul; Rotzloff, El
mer; Robbins, Polly; Poberts, Ray;
Robertson. Mabel; Robinson, Ber
nice; Robinson, Richard; Rock,
fellow. Gordon; Roe-
Jer, areMa; Rogers, Richard; Rohr-
baugh, Earl; Rohwer, Helen; ivonrer,
Inez; Rohrer, Lucille; Kose, Anna,
Rosenberg, Leo; KosenDerger, -
!! . t Father: Koss. Isaac,
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D.. T.r.n Rom. Lucy: op
pn..cr David: Kom, aiuv
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n.tk.ol Mirv: KOUSe. iu",
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d....i. Oerardus: Rueb, Fred;
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t..i. Kirinor: Rummelhart, Her-
bert; Russell, Theodore; Ryons,
. p,tmm. Kennetn; bcki
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n Rafnrick. Otto: ai8Dur,
James; Sanderson, Alice; Saunders,
Helen; Sautter, Oliver; &axwn,
ton.
Haock Stadia.
Cvlnr ITathrvn: Schaefer, Con
GA.rm.nn. Chester: benemer,
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Gussie; SchelUk, tveiyn; -ekle,
Walter; Schmitt, Elmer; Schnei-
v William; Schobert, B"i"ui
Scholx, Theodore; acnoon-,
Henry; Schormann, Waiter; oenr...
Helen- Schw.lm, EUsworth; Scoular,
Helen, c.:i..U
th.. SxTiram. waiter:
Robert; Seaver, Jnette De;
.n. c-i-il John: Sell. Albert,
1 Seidell, worn, .i
Robert- Severs, Clevia; Shar-
Rmt.
rar, Clyde; Shaw, Lois.
First Awgwan to
Come Out Today
The first copy of the Awgwan
will appear today. Each student
who has subscribed may get his
copy by presenting his receipt at
the Station A postoffice.
THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA, LINCOLN, NEBRASKA,
I.lnrnln. Orlnher
29.
sure and
and the Mis-
for your entertainment and you
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our son,
JUH1N.
DADS' DAY TO
BE SATURDAY
Committee in Charge Expects
Two Thousand Dads at
Missouri Contest.
WILL HOLD BANQUET
IN MLMUKIAL HAUL.
With definite plans completed lor
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football game, November 1, members
of the committee in charge expect at
least two thousand fathers who have
sons and daughters in the University
will attend the noonday banquet to be
held in the Armory Saturday.
In this issue of The Daily Nebras-
kan is a letter addressed to "Dad."
Free copies of this issue are being
mailed out from booths on the cam
pus today to the fathers of students
who leave their names with Vikings
at the desks in front of Social Science
Building and University Hall. The
Vikings are anxious to have every
student leave his or her name with
them and the home address and they
will mail a copy of the paper home
free.
The Missouri-Nebraska football
game will be the main attraction of
the Dads' Day proirram and special
reserved sections are being set aside
for students and their "Dads."
rne Danquet given in nunur ui mei
dad. is to be held in the Armory Sat-
The banquet given in honor of the
daas IS W oe neia in me mmuij aavt
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uraay at 11 ov. ociviug ovw .
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promptly, wiui specmi wu dci
The committee on entertainment ha,
secured the Kandy Kids orchestra to
nlav durincr the meal while other en
tertainment is being planned. The
banauet will be over m plenty 01
time for the football game.
Coach Fred T. Dawson, athletic
director; Dean C. C. Engberg, and
R T. Miller, ex-regent, are the prin
ciple speakers at the Dads' Day ban
quet while Captain Ed Wier will give
the point-of-view of the students to
the dads.
SWEZEY LECTDRES
ON SOLAR SYSTEM
Tells Arts College Freshmen of
"The Sun, the Stars, and
the Planets."
"The Sun, the Stars, and the
Planets." was the subject of the
weekly freshman lecture given in the
Monday and Tuesday periods by
Prof- G. D. Swezey to freshmen in
the College of Arts and Sciences.
Prof. Swezey took up only half of his
subject, "Astronomy," this week.
"Astronomy was one 01 the nrst
sciences," said Frof. Koy uoenran
in Introducing rroieosur kcc7.
'It was studied long before many of
tha others were thought of. Profes
sor Swezey has long been recognized
as an authority, and we are fortun
ate in obtaining him." He has the
faculty of making something ex
tremely difficult appear very easy.
Professor Swezey explained his
lecture by means of stereopticon
sides. Pictures were shown of dif
ferent constellations and groups of
tra. Diagrams illustrating points
in the exposition were used.
Much Larcar Thaa Earta.
"The sun, that body arsand which
our planeUry system revolves,
- n hnnHred times as la
more than one hundred times as large
the earth in diameter, and over
-
one million times in volume. It is a
heat-expelling body which serves as
the center of the system consisting of
irht nlanets. including the earth.
anets. including the eartn.
Heat on the sun has been ascertained
to be about ten thousand degrees
' -
Fahrenheit, which means that no
life, either plant or animal, can ex
ist" Several slides showing the sun and
sun-spots" were shown. These sun
spots are in reality the outlets of
(Continued on Page Two.)
THORPE WILL BE
FORUM SPEAKER
Republican Candidate for Con
gress Will Give Address To
day at Grand Hotel.
ASKS FOR SUPPORT
OF UNIVERSITY VOTERS
The principles of the Republican
movement will be presented to the
University students today by R. H.
Thorpe, Republican candidate for
United States Representative from
the first congregessional district at a
luncheon at the Grand Hotel, today at
12 o'clock.
At the last two meetings, the La-
Follette movement was presented by
C. A. Sorensen, a local lawyer, and
the Democratic movement was ex-
ANSIS'
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R. H. THORPE
Republican candidate for the United
States Representative from the first
congressional district of Nebraska,
who will speak at a luncheon at the
Grand Hotel today. He has served in
the Sixty-seventh Congress.
plained by H. B. Fleharty of Omaha,
candidate for state attorney-general.
Mr. Thorpe, if elected, pledges to
use his best efforts to "sustain the
business of agriculture on an equal
basis with all ther industries of the
nation."
Durine his term in the Sixty-
,
seventh Congress Mr. Thorpe spoke
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aeainst the nullification of prohibi
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tion. He handled fifty-five claims
.
for World War service men. and out
of the twenty-eight appointments
that were apportioned to him, eighty
per cent went to service men. Mr.
Thorpe also favored and supported
the Green resolution for prohibiting
the further issuance of tax-free se
curities. If tickets are purchased before
Wednesday morning for the lunch
eon, they will ne zoc. iney win De
sold at the door for 35c.
HOLD TRY0UT5 ON THURSDAY
Any Student Eligible for Tryont of
Dramatic Club.
Tryouts for Dramatic Club will be
held Thursday evening at 7 o'clock
in the Temple.
This year the members of the
Dramatic Club plan an active pro
gram. As soon as the new memoers
are initiated njany new plays will be
taken under consideration and work
on public performances will begin.
While the membership willl be limit
ed to those showing real dramatic
talent, the club offers an opportunity
to students who are interested in pub
lic performances to develop their tal
ents.
Durine its existence on the campus
the club has sponsored many public
performances both at the University
and at downtown theaters. At tne
time of the war, however, many of
its most active members became en
gaged in war work and the club lost
much of its life. During this time the
University Players be gran to be rec
ognized as the leading organization
for dramatics at the University and It
has so continued up to this time.
Pi Phi Members to
The military carnival, to be held
November 8 under the auspices of the
Scabbard and Blade, the honorary
trmlmiltm wm Uke tLe fora
i of of WMt
t... riil K. aold
carnivals. Paper money will be sold
by the barrel, and everything may be
bought with it from confetti and ser
pentine to refreshments served by the
Pi Phi bar-maids.
Blue laws will not be known at the
affair, and Roulette wheels. Faro
games and numerous other games of ,
V
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 29,
Dads Day Nebraskan
To Be Mailed Today
Copies of today's special Dads'
Day, Nebraskan will be sent out
from booths on the campus today
by the Vikings to the dads of all
University students free of
charge. All that is required Is that
the address to "Dad" be turned in
at booths in front of the Social
Science Building and University
Hall and the Vikings will bear the
expense and see that the Nebras
kan is sent home. It's an easy
thing to do, members of the com
mittee feel, and it may make
"Dad" feel pretty good.
"But do more than that after
mailing the paper, write a person
al letter of your own. Better do
that today, before you forget it,
and urge the 'old man' to wit
ness the Missouri game," commit
tee, members urge.
FRATERNITIES
TO SELL TAGS
Greek Freshmen Take Over
Plans for Sending Band to
Notre Dame.
IS IN ACCORDANCE
WITH PAN-HEL KULfc
In accordance with the ruling
handed down bv the Pan-Hellenic
council Tuesday afternoon, the Tag
Dav scheduled for today will be con
ducted by the fraternities instead of
the sororities. The ruling necessi
tated a sudden change in plans and
resulted in the Greek freshmen tak
ing over the plans for sending the
band to Notre Dame.
The campaign, opening this morn
ing. will last all day. Students will
be asked to contribute but ten cents
toward a "Nebraska band in South
Bend." This money, plus the contri
butions of fifteen dollars by each
member of the band and a donation
from the athletic department, will
send a band of forty pieces to Notre
Dame for the football game Novem
her 15.
With the large number of students
that will be sent by city stores and
the large number that furnish their
own transportation, it is predicted
that five hundred students will be
in South Bend for the annual clash
between the Irish and the Cornhusk-
ers.
"We hope that every student will
contribute at least a dime toward
sending the band on this trip," Em
mett V. Maun, chairman of the cam
naitrn stated. "If the greater share
contribute and the campaign is a suc
cess, South Bend will be given the
privileee of not only seeing the team
that beat her pride for two years but
also the band that played the victory
march after each defeat."
"The band is making many per
sonal sacrifices to go and deserve the
loval support of every student. There
is not a game nor an athletic event
at which the band has not been pres
ent and the students may show
measure of appreciation by contrib
uting to the fund to send the band
with the team," Mr. Maun asserted
HOCKEY CONTESTS
COME NEXT WEEK
Teams for Women's Interclass
Tournament Will Be Chosen
Next Friday.
The interclass women's hockey
tournament will be played Monday,
Tuesday and Wednesday. Teams
are required to have ten practices ac
credited by the Women's Athletic As
sociation. The schedule of the games
is as follows:
Monday.
Juniors vs. freshmen.
Seniors vs. sophomores.
Taasday.
Seniors vs. freshmen.
Juniors vs. sophomores.
Wednesday.
Freshmen vs. sophomores.
Juniors vs. seniors.
The schedule of the practice games
vhirh are to be held Saturday is as
follows:
Freshmen vs. sophomores at 11
o'clock.
Juniors vs. seniors at 9 o'clock.
Be Barmaids
At Annual Military Carnival
chance will be running f reoly. Lieu
tenant John Kellogg is in charca of
Spanish dancing will be ess of the
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features oi tne evening, i no 1 1 rui
senoritas have been adding new stops
to the old ones, and a good-sized en
tertainment will be the result Beau-
Spanish atmosphere to the evening,
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and the dashing sheriff and his trusty
men will be able to provide enter
Uinment
1924
Want More Girls to
Sell at Next Game
Seventy women are wanted to sell
apples and candy at the Missouri
game, according to Eula Shively, con
cession manager of the Woman's
Athletic Association. Any girl is elig
ible, regardless of her association
with this organization. Passes will
not be issued but all women who wiBh
to work should leave their names
with Mrs. Pierce in the Armory and
they will be admitted free to the
game.
SOPHOMORE CLASS
OFFICERS ELECTED
Committees Appointed by
Hoa gland in Meeting of Sec
ond-year Students.
Officers were elected and commit
tees appointed at the first sophomore
class meeting of the year yesterday
morning in the Social Science audi
torium. Robert V. Hoagland, newly
elected president, was in charge of
the meeting. '
Helen Simpson. Casper, Wyo., was
elected vice-president with no oppo
sition; Erma Guhl, Myons, was elect
ed secretary over Keith Folger; Kath
erine Goodsin. Ravenwood, Mo., was
chosen treasurer over Paul Stauffer
and Dick Ross: Paul Bass and Donald
Becker were elected sergeant-at-arms
with no opposition.
Committees follow:
Women Athletics.
Frances Pehmiller, Chairman
Elizabeth Roberts
Virginia Irons
Dorothy Heldt
Elsie Neeley
Margaret Weber.
Men's Athletics.
Joe Wier, Chairman
Paul Larsen
Robert Hook
Frank Daily
Paterson Macauley
Phil Sidles
Publicity.
Judd Crocker, Chairman
Betty Shepherd
Simpson Morton
Thelma Peterson
Laura Welply
Russel McMichael.
. Debate.
Donald Becker, Chairman
Gifford Bass
Douglas Orr
Clarence Wright
George Dent.
Olympics.
Henry Brainard, Chairman
Glen Buck, Chairman
Joe Wier
Harold Gillans
Ward Mandary
Glen Waltemath.
Entertainment.
Dick Ross, Chairman
Willis Negus
Mary Gillham
John Schroyer
Ela Kerkow
Marjorie Dickenson
Hop.
Alice Summers, Chairman
Ira Brinkerhoff
Mary Louise Smith
Stanley Riff
Virginia Voorhes
John Day
Evelyn Wilson.
Finance.
Kieth Folger
John Beber
Maynard Arnot
Kenneth Cook
Reed Coatnworth
Francis Jones.
Social.
Maurice Hevelone, Chairman
Joe Edwards
Doris Baker
Virginia Green
Elizabeth Coolidge
Royce West
FRAT HARRIERS TO
HOLD ANNUAL MEET
Will Allow Any Man to Run;
Combine Class and College
Contests in One.
The annual inteffraternity
cross -
country run will beheld November
14, two weeks from Friday. Any
man will be alolwed to run in this
meet according to present plans. The
plans are, to make the meet an inter-
class and intercollegiate meet as well
Last year Farm House won the meet
and received the award of a skin by
the N Club.
Each runner entered will be eligi
ble to' represent his college, class and
I fraternity for the final coun
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Last
fall, there were almost sixty men en
ured in the meet Carchette, Kap
pa Psi, was the individual winner last
season. The course will be about
three miles. Men who have repre-
tented the school in Varsity com peti-
I m n. v hw -.vwe ' I
tion this fall, or have won a letter in
cross-country before
rill not be eli-
gible to compete.
PRICE 5 CENTS
DISAPPROVE ACT
OF COMMITTEE
Student Council Members Pass
Resolution on Action of
Faculty Senate.
CLAIM CONTROL OF
UNI ORGANIZATIONS
A resolution expressing disapprov
al of the action of the committee on
student organizations in penalizing
fraternities and sororities for viola
tion of University rules on freshman
'sneak nights" was passed by the
Student Council at a meeting Mon
day night in University Hall 106. The
resolution follows:
Whereas, the Student Council is a
representative of the student body,
and
Whereas, all matters concerning
student organizations and the stu
dent body should rightfully be re
ferred to the Student Council for
consideration, and
Whereas, the Committee on Stu
dent Organizations failed to refer to
the Student Council the matter con
cerning the penalizing of certain fra
ternities and sororities, and
Whereas, the penalty declared by
the Committee, in our estimation,
fails in its purpose and is inadequate
and insufficient,
We. the members of the Student
Council, hereby resolve and publicly
announce that we do not sanction the
action of the Committee on Student
Organizations and do not approve of
the punishment imposed and the
statements issued in explanation of
such punishment.
EMMETT V. MAUN,
President.
Eight sororities and nine fraterni
ties will be deprived of the privilege
of giving more than one house-dance
this semester and of giving the first
downtown party which they have
scheduled, according to the penalty
fixed by the committee on student
organizations after investigating par
ties given by these groups on "sneak
nights." These parties were held on
week nights and were, in most cases,
unchaperoned.
J
RULES READ TO
ALL PRESIDENTS
Emphasis Is Laid on Party
Regulations in Regular An
nual Meeting.
The annual meeting of the presi
dents of all campus organizations
was held last night at Ellen Smith
Hall. Dean Amanda Heppner, chair
man of the Committee on Student
Organizations, presided. The meeting
was called so that the presidents
mieht become familiar with the rules
of the Women's Self-Governing As
sociation and of the University.
These rules are to be read at the next
meeting of the organizations.
Particular emphasis was made on
the rules concerning the scheduling
of parties and the listing of chaper
ones. All parties must be listed at
the Dean's office at least two days in
advance and the names of the chap
erones must also be submitted. Three
faculty couples must be present at
all downtown parties, and two
couples, not necessarily faculty mem
bers, at all house parties. Minors are
not eligible as chaperones and accept
ances must have been received from
the chaperones before their names
are submitted.
Another point brought up was the
fact that women have been enter
tained at men's houses on Sundays
when there were no chaperones pres
ent and the men are to schedule the
event and names at the Daen's office
beforehand. No freshmen may par
ticipate in any downtown perform
ances. This rule was made by the
Scholarship Committee because too
many students used these as excuses
for delinquencies.
Pamphlets of tha rules concerning
'organizations and. social functions
were given out at the beginning of
the meeting. Closed nights and the
rules concerning subscription dances
were also explained.
A question was put up for the con-
tsid era tion of the students by Dean
Engberg,
Because of the new trust
formed, due to the control by one
t .11 tha nn-Kirfni. ha thnno-ht
.. . pood time for the stu-
dents to strike and bring down the
prices.
Methodist Students '
To Meet at Banquet
A banquet for all Methodist stu
dents will be given Thursday frosa S
to 8 o'clock at the Grand HoteL
Chancellor Schreckengast of the Ne
braska Wesleyan University wHl
speak on the snbject, "Life BuUd
ing." Wendell Berge, chairman of tha
program committee, Wal iatroo''-:ee
the speaker. Vocal solos wHl ba gv ca
by Parwic C Witte sud Oscar Ecu-net
tween them.
