10 Cbe Conservative * CUBA AND THE UNITED STATES. Mr. F. B. Thurbor , president of the United States Export Association , has made the following statement before the ways and means committee of the house of representatives , in regard to the tariff on Cuban products : I am interested in this subject pri marily as a question of the good faith of the United States toward Cuba ; second , to voice the interest of Amer ican producers and manufacturers , who , under proper conditions , would find a very valuable market in Cuba ; and third , the interest of American con sumers of sugar. 1' For many years , I was one of the largest distributers of sugar in the United States , and am familiar with that industry. For the past five years I have been president of the United. States Export Association , whoso ob 0l ject is to widen the market for Amer ican products , and whose membership comprises leading houses in 98 princi pal lines of industry , situated in 84 states. "During the past year I have had occasion to make a special study of the tariff relations between Cuba and the United States ; with the result of arriving at the belief that the greatest good to the greatest number of people of both countries will be subserved by placing Cuba , so far as our tariff re lations are concerned , as nearly as possible on the same basis as Porto Rico and Hawaii ; and the same may he said of the Philippine Islands. ' ' Strange as it may seem , the Dingloy tariff imposes on the chief Cuban pro ducts sugar and tobacco a duty amounting to about 100 per cent , while on the dutiable products , of all other countries , imported into the United States , it averages about 50 per cent. This is anomalous in itself , and is rendered still more so by our changed relations to Cuba , which virtually makes her the ward of the nation. She has accepted the Platt amendment , which imposes upon her duties and obligations which prevent her from making advantageous treat ies with other countries ; and , as stated by President Roosevelt , "every con sideration of duty and interest de mands that Cuba should have liberal treatment at our hands. " This is op posed by our domestic beet and cane sugar interests , who have been mak ing enormous profits under the excess- tivo protection afforded them by our present tariff. The beet-sugar in terests are on record , over their own signature , in a letter to their bankers , that they could prosper under absolute free trade ; and it is estimated "by good authorities thut in factories favorably situated they have been making a profit of about two cents a pound , with a lesser margin in less 1 4 I favored localities which they now bring forward as an argument why concessions should not be made in the tariff on Cuban products , which is somewhat like arguing that the tariff should bo high enough to make the growing of bananas , under glass , profit able. I am a republican and a pro tectionist ; but there is reason in all things ; and I believe that there should be a power above unreasoning protec tionists to say what is reasonable. The permanency of a protective tariff will largely depend on this ; and I contend that it is shortsighted on the part of our protected industries not to recog nize changed conditions , and unless they are recognized , there will come a ground swell of public opinion which will go to extremes on the other side and be disastrous to all our industries. This was the view of William Mc- Kiuloy , who could not bo considered an enemy to American industries. It is especially shortsighted on the part of our domestic sugar growers not to be willing to make liberal concessions at the present time in the tariff on Cuban products. There is an influential ele ment iu Cuba today in favor of annex ation to the United States , and , if this is strengthened by disastrous indus trial conditions in Cuba that clay will be hastened , and , with absolute free trade between Cuba and the United States , our beet sugar industries would bo in the position of that man whose ' ' last state was worse than the first , ' ' although it would undoubtedly be a blessing to the consumers of sugar iu the United States , and our fruit grow ing , canning and preserving industries , which would greatly develop and prosper with cheap sugar. "Tho representatives of the beet sugar industries have industriously spread the report that the demand for reciprocity with Cuba was inspired by the sugar trust ; that it had large investments iu Cuban plantations , and hoped , with free raw sugar , to break down our domestic sugar interests. I have made diligent inquiry as to tbe truth of this , and can not find that there is any truth in it , except poss ibly , that some individual stockhold ers in American Sugar refining in terests also own small amounts of stock in Cuban sugar plantations ; but these same individuals are much more largely interested in Porto Rico and Hawaii , whose sugar comes in free of duty. "I am in no way interested in the sugar trust , and am not disposed to believe that the human nature em bodied in it" is an better or worse than that embodied in our domestic beet and cane sugar industries ; but it has certainly been less greedy in its margin of profit than our domestic sugar in terest ; for while they have boon mak ing from one and a half to two cents a pound profit on sugar , refining in terests have varied from nothing to three-quarters of a cent a pound profit , averaging perhaps one-quarter to ; hree-oighths since the formation of the sugar trust. In the early days of the sugar refining industry the differ ence between raw and refined varied jetween two and three cents per pound ; now the average difference is perhaps one cent a pound , with an actual cost iu the process of perhaps five-eighths of a cent a pound , leaving a margin for profit of about three- eighths. This is doubtless the reason why under all tariffs , notably tlio Mc- Kiuley , the Wilson , and the present Dingley tariff , our sugar refining in dustries have been protected by a dif ferential duty on refined of perhaps one-half a cent per pound , and thisit should bo remembered , inures as much to the protection of the beet-sugar in terests as it does to our refining inter ests , for the beet-sugar manufacturers make refined sugar. "Now , as to what concession should be made to Cuba ; I believe it would be to the interest of the Cubans , and American flour and provision interests and American fruit canning and pre serving interests , and the interest of all American consumers of sugar , if what the Cubans ask could be granted , viz : free raw sugar and one-half the present duties on tobacco and cigars. But if in your wisdom you think we can not go as far as that at this time , then the very Icasi concession which should bo made should bo 50 per cent on all her products ; and with this , it should be remembered , it would still leave.her products subject to a duty equal to the average on the dutiable products re ceived by us from all other countries. 'I This would lower by one-half the high tariff wall which wo have erected against our ward. And if she in re turn would establish a tariff averag ing 50 per cent , on her importations , she could reduce that one-half on her importations from the United States ; and this would enable her merchants " to buy all of their supplies in the United States , three-fifths of which they now buy in Europe. This would not violate the most favored nation clause iu treaties with other countries , because no country could offer Cuba such inducements as * we would offer her by such an arrangement. And it would sWl give her sufficient revenue ; because her present tariff , established by our War Department for Cuba , averages about 25 per cent. American products would still cuter the Cuban market at the present rate , but those of other countries would have to pay the higher rate ; hence , wo would get the trade , because with increased pur chasing power on the part of her people ple , Cuba would become one of our , most important markets. . | "All of which is respectfully sub mitted. "