iiAX"uuilar' XZJm Nebraska. Independent pace e O tt Trr Tf 7 f Letters From The People 0 O V V V O Q V V v. v V V V .. V.. ij.dww..(v'.'wVwVwwiw o o o LigHt for Mr. Obenchain Chicago, III, October 9 To the Editor of Tin- In lepeii leaf. Capitalism, says Mr. Oben chain In liU luHt letter, 1m Hie goal we ure all trying to muli. Some of uh. Mr. Obenchain, art content to earn tt good, honest interest on our lalor rather than try our luck at handling capi tal in business. I have known nu n who couhl earn five or nix per cent on $50,000 an employes, who could not succeed In business, ana I suspect that many of our railway managers, who earn tlx per cent on 100,000 or $'.100,000 much prefer lo remain workmen rather than to become capi talist. Will Mr. Obenchain deny that these men hiu wAnetanierB? And In passing I might Bay that (ho statistics on which the socialist founds bis theory generally take Into consideration only a certain range of low-salaried workmen. 'They take no account of the general manager with a Hillary of $.ri0,ooo a year, of the singer who re celvcn $1,000 it night, of (be paluterwho receives $50,ooo for his picture, of the sculptor, architect, enxlneer, or other expert, who I paid a big price for his work. On the other hand thousands of workmen ure capitalists. Among this skilled workmen of any city you will Hint hundreds who own stocks in various concerns, joint stock companies and rail ways. To such an extent has It become true that the people Invest In Ntocks that It Is very doubt ful whether wealth Is us concent rated today as It wim thirty years ago. There are, for example, 6, Ooo.ooo holders of railway stocks nnd bonds. It Is the control that is concentrated und therein lies the danger, mid It Is the duty of the state to deal with this danger. My own opinion Is that the proportion of cnpital.sts to the whole population Is greater today than ever befcie. Llko all socialists Mr. Obenchain dwells tear fully upon the terrible struggle for existence. Will there be no struggle for existence under HoclallMii? Always, of course, 1 am presuming Hoclnllsm to be practicable, which 1 do not be lieve. The struggle for existence Is not as hard us It was fifty years ago, uor Is it more pre carious. Mr. Obenchain asks why, if the productive efficiency of labor has Increased sixfold, sub sistence should not be obtained with one-sixth the effort? It should be If there were no Increase In the demand for goods, but Mr. Obenchain neg lects to take any note of the increased demand. Mr. Obenchain usks nie If I do not think that some of the envy and hate born of a struggle that compels the bringing of these traits to the front would disappear under a Bystem where men would not have to fluht euch other. Yes. That will be In heaven. The very fact, however, that lust, Intemperance, sloth, disease, desire for revenge, aye. and envy, would not. vanish under any economic system would mean the wrecking of the socialistic state. Mr. Obenchain says that five-sixths of the labor of production is performed by machines. That Is true in certain industries only. How much does a machine do In growing an orch ard? On the other hand if the world were limited to hand production nowadays It would starve because the demand has Increased to such an extent that rapid means of produc tion by machinery are necessary. As civllia tiim advances man s wants Increase. The native of Central Africa does not want telephones, tele graphs or railwavs because he knows nothing of these things. Me can supply his wants by hand production. I pointed out in my first letter that railways, telegraphs, telephones, eleo'r'cal and steam (tower as applied to many Industries, and many other inventions and discoveries had sup plied now fields of labor and productiveness. Mr. Obenchain always reverts to his unten able assertion that because fourfiffbs of the profit of labor no to capitalists, there'ore wen Mi is. neeesni ily and ipso facto, centrali'.lnu into (he hand of n few. Mr. Obenchirn overlooks many thiiiux when be makes this usst'i'M-m. He falls to consider that the capitalist must draw four fifth, or about that proportion, from the business In Older to keen the htisinesa eotns;. Here ate some of his evens-: l!aw "u'eilaN, ItM'Hiiu's f'sicbittes fund, rent, advert Hint;. tiixiliaiKV. byttiiin;. beat ill?, ind wvi for uii. inductive ,ih well in productive bihor ur.icbs on the poorest laud in use for that pur ahly contend that there is still a surplus. If so, he 'will ask, where does it go? He must not fail to consider that the productive laborer must supply the unproductive laborer, and in the lat ti r class niiphi be mentioned municipal, county, state and national ofilcials, educators, domestic Kervants, railway employes, waiters and street cleuuers and many other engaged on public works. There are those who produce for the world and who keep the world in repair mentally, physi cally and morally. For example, we will say that the man In the factory produces $5 a day and re ceives $1 for his labor. Outside the factory the street clearer must receive his $1 a day although he produces no wealth. From whom does the street cleaner obtain his wages. From the capi talist through taxation. Socialism is founded on the theory of sur plus value. Labor creates all value, is the so cialistic way of expressing the idea. Labor does not create till value. 1'sefulness, denand aud lal or create value. To illustrate: A ship is load ed with logs cut. on some Pacific isle. These logs are taken to Europe. At a European port more will be paid for the mahogany logs than for the pine logs. Why? Because there is a use for the mahogany logs that the pine logs will not fill. And yet the same amount of labor was required to obtain the pine logs. Again: A man might make a pair of gloves from glass or a pair of boots from cardboard, but there would be no use for them and, therefore, no demand, and con sequently no value. A man might build a ship on Pikes peak, but it would be worth nothing. It should be evident, therefore, that labor does not create all value. Again: A laborer has a family. There are four dependents on the aver age to every workman. It is evident that he must produce not only for himself, but for others. As civilization advances the proportion of un productive laborers increases. Take, for example, the men required on the railways or city transit lines. They produce nothing, but they create a vast demand, which adds to consumption and thus aids Industry. Mr. Obenchain bases his entire argument up on the theory for it is merely a theory that labor derives only one-fifth of the profit of pro duction, while four-fifths goes to capital. Many years ago Marx propounded the same theory, predicting that as a result of the concentration of wealth and the increasing pauperization there would come the universal collapse of society be fore the close of the nineteenth century. Hls'ory refuted Marx and will answer Obenchain. There has been no Increasing pauperization in spite of this preposterous law whicn soc'alists are so fond of propounding, but which unon in vestigation turns out to be a law or chaff. So doubtful Is the law even among socialists them selves that Bernstein opposed this view. The gist of what he says is this: Neither the small tradespeople nor the peasantry are on the noint of disappearing, nor is it true that in civilized countries there is an Increase of miserv. servi tude and decadence. On this point Eneles has this to say: "It is not correct to assert that the" misery of the proletariat is increasing. The growth of organization will, perhaps, restrain the growth of misery; one thing is certainlv crowing, the insecurity of the proletarians' existence." Mr. Obenchain calls attention to mv s'nte ment that SG per cent of the entire pop ilaMon are toilers and he immediately converts this into an assertion that iG per cent are wage-earners and that, therefore, only four per cent are cani talists. A moment's consideration would have shown Mr. Obenchain that 96 per cent of the lMioubition could not be waee-enrners. I merely wished to Indicate that practicallv all men w.-re workers. Comparatively few of the women and chY.it n in the world are wnire-carners and ve most of thetn are toilers. The children toil at school and the women at home. Moreover a a biip percentage of the aertc-iit.Kts'g are raiitalit)is. H. B. MAXWELL Correct! Mr. Alexander New York, Oct. 3. To the Editor of The In-dem-ndetit: Mr. Alexander, reidvmit to Mr. Mean to'eak uf rent as bem: shifted to cor-sn'ocrs" TbiM is misleading for it implies that rent is added to the price of Boodx. Kent Is included In the price paid for most eoii'miMptlcs. lt (lllf.s ))ot leant add to the price. For rent H rhe measure of he Mvtnc; in col o: production tn some one p'-.M-e f l.iml. i.v,.,- ij, Ilf ,,,rntt j.,.n.,r Hut. graiitiim all thl. Mr. Obenchain would prot pose. And as articles are pxeb .:. resents general saving in prod;:. For example: The price of by what it costs to produce , land in use for potato grown say, will for ordinary effort, yi: ; acre. Potatoes grown on land 1 amount of work will Rive iiii. acre will sell for the same j.i Suppose the price $1. The b - clter!. wh. V si ATll na , '' I"'1' iivheL :a:i nili rrJ,-a f,..., KooVilt, .U i '1!T1 will be rent. But if the rent terms of money, the price of a i a Dusnei, men out oi tne d:i,u for sl)cj potatoes as are grown on the b'; bn, mi t'. which beiBj l"'U'llrS I, will be rent. Thus the rent w;li co'i'if out o! tie price paia ror potatoes, wnnout iicum aij,.j it. In this simple illustration, tin- ( u:niKs facri of transportation and retailing arc purposely Sometimes rent arises or innvasi'3 because poorer land has to be taken into use and pr duction becomes more costlv; then prices rise anj rent represents scarcity. At other iinp rent in. creases because of increase in rroilucive pi generally tnrougn invention; men pnops will create despite the greater sum of rent. Both tendencies are usually at work, to sow mm counterbalancing" each other, though our present treasure of prosper'ty 's no doubt due in trreat pnrt to the enormous increase in productive er that rent has not vet overtaken. If rent goes into private hands, land spet lotion and monopoly is encouraged, tl'p total m of rent will be larger, and prices w 11 W hiaher then would be the case if rent wte for puli'c u?es. Prices will be hii'lux. ' bat is as sumins other things equal; no cliance in money standard or supply, for example, winch is a sepa rate question. A. ('. Pl.F.YDELL How Rates Are Raided Secret'y Manley, Cass Co., Neb., Oct. 7-To V Eri'or of The Independent: I would like to sav some thing about, the raising of freight and .ww raes as I was an asent for Hi- IVnnsvlvania ra'iroad in Ohio until a short ti'i'P an and I know to a certainty that rates were ra!sel on manv ar'icles in such away tha' it was s"a posed the public would not notice it or ltnn anvthine about it. We will take carbon oil for one ar'icle which had been in the third class and wis put in the second wh'ch raised it over 2 cents per hundred pounds fro"i Cleveland 'o mv station, and many other artioUs were thunad from lower to higher in this way. About the same time the express companies raised their rates in a sin' bit manner. TlfV have what is called a graduated rate and by ctmiug out a part of that graduated ra'e it made the rates 30 cents per package. It had been 25 cents piaVing a raise of 5 r-en's on each ptckas-e which made the express comnanies thousands of dollars. I know the Pacific Express company did this. I am glad to know that vour anti-miss ptiblk tions are bearing their fruits and Inst voit wll continue the good work, and I tMnk we s'tU raise a crttsde against the half-rate that is given to all preachers. That is as much of a bribe as the pass is and I think anyone that accepts the permit sells himself, bodv an 1 soul, to rail ways as much as the one that accents die "flss- W. 1!. ES3ICK. Railway Extortion Chippewa, Falls, Wis., Oct. 3 To the Editor of The Independent: Referring to the fiht that the railroads, aided by the r.'putdtcan party, have been making airaitt government uwnorshln a nnrepls nost svstetll all 1 everytnir? else that will have a tendency to l-cn ernsn on the neonle. allow me to ?at'' "i s incident. , I recently paid the Union Pa--'" ra:.nw one dollar freight on a book in a steal! t"1 weight eight pounds and thirteen " " . Crni.tov rVW..,tn In VI lavnrl h Wi-rnU-'U 'M when I wrote to the general freiu. E. II. Wood, at Omaha, sendine hi n lading ami expense bill, he verv t" me that, "the charge was correct!'. robber on the street would have I polite after holding me up. 1 also have an expense bill b r of books of less than seven if e" which I paid in Bellinehani. Wa- recent trip there. Khlpped from ' ' struck mo us beine about "all tb' bear," nslnR the luneince of rcHMlptibi'or. This tovernmetit ( ' paid millions of dollars for bui-l -and arc now leini? robbed of n ' ' them. Let us have govertuii' tit ,l ' railroads. .IK.- - ' httr ii;d lUillt. ,r' he bill ; .,.-.- TP;' .,-.1" , n rq'iaeT -n.all M ,nd.-. 1' u. on ! ' ,:)'! 0 CO (tliis