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JULY 11. 1913
replied Ledyard. Later ho gum
moned Lauterbach, who told him, he
eald, that Lamar had a resolution he
proposed to have introduced in the
house of representati7es for a steel
Lauterbach told him he had seen
members of the Morgan firm who re
fused to talk about the investigation
Ledyard turned to Lamar and
asked if that was correct.
Lamar nodded his assent.
Ledyard testified that Lamar, rep
resenting himself as Congressman
Palmer, declared over the telephone
that Lauterbach would be able to
dpal with Speaker Clark through
"He said the communications with
the speaker were not made direct,
but through Senator Stone," Led
The bogus "Palmer" over the tele
phone said Lauterbach would take
up matters with Senator Stone,
Speaker Clark and Congressman
Henry of Texas, if the "Morgan
people" were willing to go ahead.
Lamar at this time, still under the
name of Palmer, the witness said,
told Ledyard alleged facts as to the
makeup of President Wilson's cabi
net, and asked him again to talk
with Lauterbach. Lamar reported
he had held a "conference" with
Senator Stone, Speaker Clark and
Congressman Henry and that the
conference insisted that Lauterbach
should Tie retained by the Morgan
On February 8, in his residence
library, Ledyard testified Lauterbach
told him he had been "authorized by
Senator Stone" to go to the Morgan
Ledyard said that Lauterbach was
anxious to create the impression that
he had nothing to do with Lamar,
but was acting directly with mem
bers of congress.
Lauterbach' was quoted by the wit
ness as saying:
"I come here now authorized and
empowered to make certain state
ments to you and to lay certain mat
ters before you.
"Of course the most important
office to be filled in the new adminis
tration is that of attorney general.
At first it was suggested it would be
Representative Palmer, but I can say
now that the attorney general will
come from the south. I might say
under my breath that it will be Rep
resentative Henry. "Whoever it is, he
will be controlled by the speaker."
Lauterbach also told him, the
witness declared, that there were a
number of conditions demanded by
the Washington "conference" which
The "conference" required, he
said, that no money should be paid
to any legislative agent except him
self (Lauterbach); that any pledges
of support to Roosevelt or to the pro
gressive party should be stated in
writing and if possible abrogated;
that no campaign contributions
should be made to Vne democrats, re
publicans or progressives and that
the Morgan and steel interests should
lend their support by getting the sup
port of southern senators on ques
tions relating to the tariff, taxation
and universal peace.
Mr. Lauterbach said that uni
versal peace was specified "because
it was so dear to the interests of
William J. Bryan," Ledyard testi
fied. "Lauterbach finally said to me,"
Ledyard continued, " 'I come here
by the authority of Speaker Clark
and have made all these suggestions
by his authority.'
" 'Have you seen Speaker Clark
Personally and received such in
structions?" I asked.
" 'No, I have not seen him per
sonally,' said Lauterbach.
" 'Then how do you know that
you speak by his authority?'
"1 received my instructions tof
come ana see you and mako theso
suggestions from Senator Stone,'
" 'Did you see Senator Stono per
sonally, and did ho make those sug
gestions?' " 'I did see him and ho said that
ho acted for Speaker Clark,' Lauter
" 'How do you know that Senator
Stono could speak for Mr. Clark?' I
" 'There has been a number of oc
casions before when Senator Stone
has said that he acted for Speaker
Clark, and I have found out that ho
did,' Lauterbach replied."
Mr. Ledyard said Lauterbach
added that he had arranged many
things through Senator Stone, who
acted for the speaker. Through thiB
channel, he declared, he had ar
ranged that the Pujo "money trust"
committee should take the testimony
of William Rockefeller at Jekyl
island instead of compelling Rocke
feller to come to Washington.
" 'I was able to arrange that mat
ter through Speaker Clark,' " ho
quoted Lauterbach as saying.
" 'Senator Stone assured mo that
this should be done and it was done,"
Ledyard said he asked Lauterbach if
the speaker knew that the interview
then under way was to occur and
that Lauterbach replied that Clark
"knew that some interview had been
" 'Would Speaker Clark verify
that?' I asked" him," Ledyard said.
" 'He would,' said Lauterbach."
Senator Stone of Missouri entered
the committee room before Mr. Led
yard loft the stand, having been in
formed of the statements in which
his name had been mentioned. Mr.
Ledyard repeated for him the alleged
statements of Lauterbach that Stono
had instructed him to go to the Mor
gan interests and the steel interests
in behalf of Speaker Clark and mako
certain proposals, and the senator at
once took the witness stand.
"I swear without any sort of quali
fication," he declared, "that the
statement of Lauterbach is absolute
ly a fabrication. I made no such
statement to him or to any other
human being. I never talked with
Speaker Clark upon any subject al
luded to. As to the arrangement for
the taking of testimony of Rocke
feller at Jekyl island, my only infor
mation came from the newspapers.
The whole thing is a complete fabri
cation." Senator Walsh interrupted him:
"It is only fair to say that every
body in this room who heard the
story believed it was a fabrication,"
he said. "Mr. Ledyard also believes
"It is just a plain common lie from
start to finish," declared Stone. "I
think the man who makes such a
statement as that ought to bo sent
to the penitentiary.."
After leaving the room Senator
Stone returned to ask if Lamar, who
was still present, had made any of
the statements referring to him. La
mar got up and said:
"Oh, do not take it seriously,
senator; it probably was all a fabri
cation." "Well, I do take it seriously,"
Stone reiterated, "and I think some
one ought to go to the penitentiary
Senator Stone said he did not
know Lauterbach and had no knowl
edge of ever having talked with him.
Lamar was questioned by the
committee again as to whether it
was he who had telephoned to Chair
man Hilles of the republican national
committee, representing himself as
Chairman McCombs of the democratic
"Oh, yes I did that," the Wall
street operator said with a smile,
"that was Just a littlo malicious mis
chief." Maxwell Bvarts, genoral counsel
for the Southern Pacific, corrobo
rated the tostimony given by Robert
S. Lovott last week, that a man pro
tending to bo Representative RIordan
of Now York had called him suggest
ing that Lauterbach bo employed In
tho Union Pacific-Southern Pacific
Laughing heartily and gesticulat
ing with both arms, Lamar lator re
sumed to declaro that the ontlro epi
sode described by Ledyard was a
farce and both ho and Ledyard woro
conscious throughout of tho game
tho other was playing.
Ho lnformod tho committee that it
was ho who drafted tho program
and list of conditions which Lauter
bach presented to Ledyard as terms
from legislators at Washington to
tho Morgan people. Ho explained
that ho thought up tho things tho
democrats wanted accomplished, and
then concluded that if tho Morgan
people would recant their old views
and lend support to all tho demo
cratic plans, perhaps tho democrats
would change their views of tho Mor
gan interests. Ho said ho did not
know whether Mr. Lauterbach re
garded it as a joke or not.
Tho last subject touched upon was
the preparation of a resolution for
an investigation of a steel trust by
"You do not mean to say you could
introduce a resolution in congress?"
inquired Senator Cummins.
"Why, that is just as easy as tak
ing candy from a baby," replied La
mar. Ho said ho prepared the resolu
tion because ho was tired of the per
secution of him because of his oppo
sition to steel corporation plans. He
said ho did not send Lauterbach to
the Morgan and steel people with in
formation that tho resolution was in
his possession, but that Lauterbach
wont on his own account after plead
ing with Lamar to allow him just
one more opportunity to heal the
breach between tho Morgan interests
"Don't you appreciate that the or
dinary inference from this would bo
that you wore trying to blackmail
them?" asked Senator Walsh.
"Tho conversations with tho men
would show that was not my object,"
was tho response.
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