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Q. Did aha work continually? A.
That Idont know. .. .
.Q .rvT"i i'' .r.Tlany' eTerT 01,1
A. That I don ' know.
Q. mat you cant tell! A. no.
Q. And atlll, it an Inmate didn't do
any work at all. or refused to do it,
you would hare been informed,
wouldn't you? A. I don't think ao. your piaee that evening, who If any
No, one accompanied her? A. I did not
Q. And still. If an Inmate didn't do rArelve Miss Clewett; it waa the S le
an y work at all. or refused, or waa In- ter jn charge of the sewing depart
corrigible. It would come to your me,nt. where she entered, one of the
knowledge? A. Well, sometimes they reformatories. I understood that she
consider it rather a disgraceful thing accompanied by Mrs. Root and
to have to be reported for bad con
ductIt la one of the modes of pun
ishment. Q. She waa not reported to you? A.
Not that I know of.
Q. Waa she reported to you about
this escape? A. The circumstances
were related to me: not as a report. !
Q. Now during this time that she
was In there two years and three
nontbs with the exception of this one
time that you sav she eacaped and ran j as well as I know.
t.wn the bill, did she ever go out- Q d she ever come to that in
side of the institution or tne enclosed 'atitutlon in company with any other
yards, that Is. the enclosure? A. Oh. Inmate that went there or waa brought
yea. she-not with my knowledge-she there? A. I don't know that she was
wn mitaM nf th rniinrin nf i
the House of the Good Shepherd, that
Is. the ten acres that were around
the grounds where there were no
walla.
O. Tea. but when she went outside
f the enclosure Md she go alone or in
company? A. That I couldn't testify.
Q. Did you trust her with the keys?
A: I dtd not.
Q. Do you know whether she waa
attended or unattended? A. Unafc
tended sometimes, I think.
O. Do you remember one in the in
stitution by the name of Leon a? A.
Yes, sir.
Q. Wasn't she one of those girls?
A. She was no more trusted than the
rest of them, that I know of.
Q. She wasn't? A. She was a
good elrl like Sellne Clewett, as we
thought
Q. Now these girls that you say
you trusted more. It was their duty
was it not? A. Now. don't mistake
me. I trust none of them more than
another; I am not in that department
Q. Well, I mean that were trusted
by the sister? A. I know nothing
bout their conduct The sister In
esch department is the junge of the
girl's conduct; she alone can tell these
things; I know nothing of their con
duct. Q. Whenever any of those girls
aw any of these tnmt t.ii.i
gether privately or quietly, their con
versation,, if it was a wrong one was
reported to the slater; was It their
duty to report the fact if they couldn't
hear the conversation? A. There is
no duty attached. .hey do it of their
own will; they are not compelled to
do It.
Q. You would say they werB doing
a praiseworthy thing when they did
that reported it? A. Yes.
Q. You don't allow young girla to
see the newspaper then? Certainly
not
Q. At all? A It depends on the
newspaper.
Q. Did you? A. I didn't person
ally, I furnished the class.
Q. Did you furnish the plaintiff any.
thing of that kind? A. I certainly
know she was furnished.
Q. She was there two years and
three months. Did you ever furnish
her, except this dress, this black dress.
A. I furnished none of them individu
ally. Q. No, but I mean your Institution
furnish her wilb a solitary piece of
wearing apparel ? A. I certainly think
we did. I furnished the dress with all
these articles. I mean the different de
partments, I nieon the reformatories.
Q. Now you have had some inmates
tn there a good many years, haven't
you? A. Why yea.
Q. What length of time Is the long
est that any inmate has been in there
that you know of? A. Oh, some of
them are In there since the house was
founded.
Q. Twenty-eight or thirty years?
Twenty-eight or thirty years are they
not, in that ward? A. Not la that
ward, no, In the house.
Q. In what ward? A. In the Mag
dalenes. Q. Are there any In this ward? A.
Not since that, but I think there is
one there twenty-one years. I think
she la a witness.
Mr. Butts:
Q. When we adjourned last night,
you were speaking of the clothing
furnished this ward. Do you know of
your own knowledge what clothing
was furnished any particular Individ
ual In this ward? A. No, sir.
Q. Aa I understand you, you don't
know of your knowledge of but very
little that took place in this ward, only
aa it waa reported to you? A. As it
waa reported to me by tho sister in
charge.
Q. Did the Inmates of this ward
communicate with you directly as a
rule, or did they communicate through
Sister Zephrlne? A. Through
the Slater, or to myself when they
wished.
Q. Were they required, before they
communicated with you, to obtain the
permission of anyone? A. They
would have no other opportunity of
doing so unless I passed through, they
would have to ask the Sister to teft
me in order to see me.
Q. Then as a rule, it was necessary
for them to obtain the permission of
a Sister in charge of that ward be
fore they could eee you? A. I
wouldn't say the permission; they
would have to tell her they wanted
to Bee me.
Q. Waa that reported to you? A.
She came and told me.
Q. Then did you decide upon the
report whether you would see them
or not? A. When I had the time. I
aald when I had the time I would see
thetn.
Q. You refused or permitted it as
you saw fit? A. Oh, certainly.
Q.. Did I understand you correctly
last night that when letters were writ
ten there, addressed to persona out
side of the institution, the rules re
quired that you should first read them
and pass upon them as to whether
tney should be sent or not? A. The
rules require that all the letters and
communications should be brought to
me for Inspection. It Is optional
with myself to Inspect them or not
just as I feel like it
Q. And when the letters came into
niuit.on roB
ae88e, K T . , J
the same thing? A. Certainly.
q. And did you exercise tne rutni
of owning these lmtera? A.
. AvwmTnflP llAda I 1 MrV r M . t"I 1
talnly.
q When Miss Clewett rame
j
.
some other lady
Q. Do you know Mrs. Root? A-
' Q How long have you known her?
A. I don't know exactly the date, she
came there on business to our Insti
tution a couple of times, and met her
I think on two or three occasions.
Q. Where did she live? A. I be
lieve she lived at White Bear Lake.
accompanied, sne sent anomer in
mate once.
Q. Who was that? A. We call
her Lizzie m our institution.
Q. Waa her true name Agnes Tay
lor? A. I refuse to give it.
Mr. Clapp: If the Court please. It
already appears from this witness's
testimony, that these girls are placed
there for the purpose of reformation;
that they are given a name, ao that
when they go out again, whatever
shame or dicgrace might have at
tached to their prior life, their iden
Ity will not be revealed and the
shame will not pursue them through
the name they were known by before
they were put in there. Now, I sub
mit, that on grounds of public policy
it is Improper to compel this witness,
or any of these defendants, to disclose
the name of a person who has gone
Into a reformatory because of mis
deeds, be they In the mild or extreme
degree, and has taken another name
to conceal their indentity and discon
nect them as far as possible with the
shame that attaches to their prior
misdeeds.
Mr. Butts: We claim that this girl
was inveigled Into this institution,
and I think we have a right to know
who brought her there and all tha cir
cumstances surrounding the fact, and
who this woman was she had been
there before with other girls and how
many and who were there. And if it
is possible to find these witnesses we
want to find them. This Is a case,
your Honor, where these names it
has been the hardest thing in the
world to get at anything. These in
mates all have names that are given
to them, and when they get outside.
you hear of "Gllletta," or "Leona." or
some such name as that; you don't
know to whom it applies and you can't
hunt up the evidence. Now we want
to know about this woman Mrs. Root
and the circumstances surrounding
the bringing of this girl to that place
at 9 o'clock at night, mid-winter. Yes,
and we claim that this Mrs. Root
brought other girls there, and that is
a thing that characterizes her act rn
this case. If she was hunting up
girls to run them Into that institution.
I think we have a right to know it.
Thev talk that this girl went there
voluntarily and that she was not in
veilged there, and they publish it in
the paper. I see this morning, that
they are going to claim this girl went
there and staid two years and three
months In this place, VOLUNTARI
LY. Now upon this issue, it seems to
me we have a right to prove it
all right here. to show every
fact and circumstance which
characterises these aolts. It is
for the jury to say whether she went
there voluntarily or not.
Objected to by Mr. Clapp.
Mr. Butts: I think this is the time
to prick this right to the quick. Now,
so far as branding these girls is con
cerned, I don't think the girls have
had much to do with it. We will find
as we go along in this case, they have
been put Into that place, aa the evi
dence will disclose as we go along,
here, without their consent, very fre
quently; and If they are going to be
put In there and then branded be
cause they are in there and we can't
show anything about them well
where are we? These sisters can
come on here and tell any story they
are a mind too and our mouths are
closed and this plaintiff would have
to come on the stand and tell her own
story uncorroborated. Now she is
here, and I will tell for the counsel's
benefit, that she is going to swear that
she was put in there and kept for two
years and three months and that she
tried to get out a hundred times ana
couldn't, and was accused and noti
fled over and over again, that if she
asked to get out she was a life priso
ner; and I will show your Honor,
further, that it was told in that ward
to every one of those inmates, these
girls here that were there, that if they
ever asked to get out it made tnetn
life nrisoners. That is what the
plaintiff tells me she will swear to.
Now, I am going to show by this wit
ness that this woman Mrs. Root at
least I claim to this Jury was a pro
curess; that she brought others to
that place; that she was of the same;
that she was on good terms with this
woman and knew her; and if that Is
so, it bears upon the question whether
or not this girl went there of her own
free will or whether she was taken
there. I am going to show by this
other witness for I have one of them
that Mrs. Root got her there In the
same way; and I want this woman to
give me the names of those girls that
were brought there by Mrs. Root, ana
I think I am entitled to have it
am going to characterize the action of
Mrs. Root in this regard. It is cor
roborating evidence in our case, and
I am going into the whole of this as
far as I can at this time. Of course
the order of this evidence I think the
Court will agree with me, should be
left to me, and to put it In the order
that I see best But If my client does
not go on the stand and claim that
she was In there against her will, I
will consent to dismiss this case very
quickly. I want to characterize the
actions of Mrs. Root in taking this
girl there.
The Court: Objection sustained
E.eentlon by nlainUff. -
Q. Did you ever prefer any charge
- - - cort
whatever? A. I don understand
- tinn
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any
A. P. A. 10.
charge, prefer any charge
"
;
any'
in
court, against the plaintiff? A. lo
you mean In the municipal court or .
what court?
Q. In any court? A. I don't know '
of any court that I made a charge. I
o Ymi never then went before any
magistrate or public officer and
charged this girl with any offense?
A. Do you mean Mrs. Clewett T
Q. Yea. A. Not that I know of;
W" -"'ember
Q. And you never had her examin
ed before any officers? A. Not that
I know of.
Q You stated yesterday, I be,lUve.
thait whenever girls wanted ot gt
out, that It waa necessary for a girl
who was in the Institution, who waa
under age, before they could get out,
for some of their relatives to apply
for them, did you not? A. That Is,
when they are of course that are
placed there, if they are under age,
their parents or guardians, those who
have a right to do so; It depends upon
them to come and take them out.
Q. What step do you take to as
certain whether the person is the
guardian of any one when they come
there with them? A. Simply if they
are the relatives.
Q. Suppose that a girl is brought
there by somebody who is not a rela
tive, then what do you do 7 y. 1
don't understand the meaning there,
what do I do If they are brought
there by whom?
Q. Why. If any girl Is brought
there who is not in the company of
her parents or rolatlves, what do you
do then? A. Any girl that Is under
age under 18 who was placed there,
brought there by parties, we receive
them.
Q. No matter who brings them?
A. Well, that Is an open question.
No one brings them that I know of,
but those that have the authority to
do BO.
Q. You receive them! anyone that
Is brought there under age? A. Un
der age for reformation.
Q. And do you not make any in
quiry as to who the person Is bringing
them, do you? A. They have to state
their names, and why they do so.
though we never want the history of
the case. We don't care to hear the
history of why they are brought
there, except they are under some le
gal reason, some cause for doing so.
Q. So you take no further steps then,
to ascertain when a child la brought
there under age, than Just the inquiry
made of the person bringing them?
A. That Is all.
Q. Now. whenever that person
wishes to get out of that Institution
what must be done? A. If they are
good, and we have authority from
those who brought them, we are re
sponsible for them, and If we can pro
cure them a situation, if we can re
commendwhich is not very often the
case sometimes we procure them a
situation if they are under age.
Q. And if their conduct is not as
it ought to be, and you don't see fit to
recommend them, it sums ltseir up
Into this, that they can't go? A. If
I can't conscientiously recommend
them; not that I see fit.
Q. These letters that came to your
place, you stated the other day. from
any person except relatives of the
family, were not delivered? A. Did
I state that they were always not de
livered. Q. Well, sometimes is that
it? A. Sometimes, yes.
Q. How would you receive these
letters? How did you receive those
letters? A. Through the mail.
O. PRIOR TO DELIVERING TO
THE INMATES YOU ALWAYS
OPENED THEM? A. ALWAYS.
Q. And when the lettera were mail
ed by them they were delivtred to you
for mailing? A. Yes, sir.
Q. And opened by you before mail
fng? A. Yes, sir. They were not
sealed when they came to me.
Q. NOW DID YOU NOT KNOW
THAT THIS WAS A SERIOUS VIO
LATION OF THE POSTAL LAWS
FOR YOU TO OPEN MAIL? A.
THAT IS THE RULE OF OUR IN
STITUTION. Q. I KNOW. BUT IS THIS RULE
OF YOUR INSTITUTION ABOVE
THE LAWS OF THIS LAND? A.
I AM NOT PREPARED TO ANS
WER. IT IS THE RULE OF OUR
INSTITUTION.
Q. I SAY ARE RULES OF YOUR
INSTITUTION ABOVE THE LAWS
OF THIS LAND? A. THOSE RULES
ARE MADE AND PEOPLE UNDER
STAND IT.
Q. THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
THAT, I KNOW. A. YES.
Q. BUT DO YOU MEAN TO TELL
THIS JURY THAT THE RULES OF
YOUR INSTITUTION ARE ABOVE
THE LAWS?
Mr. Clapp: Well, now, if the Court
please, it is not shown here that it is
a violation of the federal law for a
person to open letters when they
have been expressly or Impliedly au
thorized to do so.
The Court: Well, it Is a fruitless
discussion in any event
Mr. Butts: I want to find out what
this witness' state or standing Is. I
think I have a right, your Honor.
The Court: You have a right to
inquire what she did.
Mr. Butts: Yea, It goes clear to this
whole business.
The Court: But to discuss the
question whether the rules of the In
stitution are "above the laws of the
land" it seems to me Is fruitless .be
cause there Is no question about that
Q. Well, It wouldn't make any dif
ference to you what the laws were,
you would go on doing that Just the
same? That Is what you mean to say?
A. Well. I can't say that I would
carry out the rules In a sense, that
Is, keeping a reformatory; our letters
that come In and go out have to e
examined.
Q. THEY HAVE TO BE EXAM
INED? A. YES.
Q. AND THAT IS REGARDLESS
OF THE LAW? A. I AM NOT A
VIOLATOR OF THE LAW.
Q. WELL. YOU SAY THEY HAVE
TO BE EXAMINED. NOW DO YOU
MEAN TO SAY BY THAT THEY
'WILL BE ANYWAY? A. ACCORD-
INO TO OUR RULE. THE RULE Or
THE INSTITUTION.
g. AM YOlT ,.UoPOSB TO POL-
I)W THOSE RULES?
CERTAINLY IH).
A. WHY. I
N . sewing room b.
children are what ages 7 A. ary.
Q. From what? A. Well, we have-
The Court: Haven t you been over
that the other day. Mr. Butts?
Mr- Hutts: Yea. I have, your Hon-
or. to a certain extent, but thm-e's
one or two Ideas I want to bring out
at this time.
A. 1 think we have there at pres
ent In the Juvi-nlle reformatory as
young as 12.
Q. That la. In the sewing room
A. Sewing room.
Q. That Is. in the reformatory. In
these reformatory, there are no
studies taught at all? A. 1 didn't say
that.
y. Didn't you testify to that the
other day? A. I did not.
Q. There Is now In the laundry
department no studies? A. iAst win
ter there was studies.
Q. Yes. but when Sellne Clewett
was in there? A. I wouldn't be post'
tive.
Q. There weren't, were there? A
I wouldn't be positive.
Q. You know of none? A. I know
we furnished a sister to teach there
a part of tost winter.
Q. Yes, but I mean when Beline
Clewett waa In there. A. I don't
know, I don't remember.
y. I) dn't you test fy positively the
other day that you wanted the Jury to
distinctly understand that the stwlng
department and laundry department
were reformatories? A. I cTtainly do.
Q. And that tluve was no time
there for teaching, that that was a
place where they worked? A. Dd 1
not say they were taught two hours,
from 4 until 6?
Q. Dld't you say that was la the
preservative class?
A. No sir, the preservative class
go out to the public school.
Q. Now. Just tell the Jury what
teaching was done In the laundry
when Sellne Clewett was there? A,
That I don't remember.
Q. Well, what was done In the sew
lnB class? A. Two hours. Oh, Eellne
Clewett was there only two days.
Q. I say while Sellne Clewett waa
In your Institution what teaching was
done in the sewing clats at that time?
A. From 4 until 6.
Q. Well, you know, as a matter of
fact, do you not, that tho laws of this
land provide that children between
certain ages (5 aud 16, 1 think it is,
or 14,) shall go a certain number of
hours a day to school? A. I certainly
do.
Q. And you know and said the other
day that when parents put the r chil
dren In there, or any one came there
with them under age, that nobody had
any authority to get them out except
those that put them there? A. rar
ents? Q. Or the persons that brought
them? A. Yes sir.
O Now you know that Is not
cnmnliiince with the school laws ot
this land, don't you?
Mr. ClaDD: Well, if the Court
please. I object to that. They can
prove all the facts and circumstances
here, but to get into a legal -aiscus'
slun
The Court: The objection sus
tained.
Exception by plaintiff.
Q. Now, Miss Crow, the jury went
out to your place yesterday alurnoon
to view the premises; you had them
fixed up somewhat, didn't you, for v s-
itors? A. No sir.
O. Well, when did you have the
house painted?
A. I think the inside of the house
was tainted some years ago.
Q. When was the outside painted?
A. I really couldn't te!l you when
the inside of the house was kalso
mined and painted; I think it was all
of two or three years ago.
Q. When was the outside painted?
A. That was done this summer, to
save the bricks from falling
Q. I am talking with reference to
the laundry department; wnat was
Hnne to that this summer? A. We
tot in some new machinery there,
Q. Yes. In the laundry department
What new machinery? A. Oh, we
are getting a laundry outfit, trying to
we ordered a laundry outnt.
Q. Well, about all the machinery
that is in there is new and been put in
very lately, hasn't it? A. This sum
mer. Well, the shirt lroner was put
in I think, about May. I don't re
member the date.
Q. And those big pieces of ma
chlnery were put In within a very
few weeks, were they not? A. Yes
our mother general visitor ordered
them. Tdldn't wish to have them put
In. but she wished It
Q. There has been some change in
the rooms there this summer?
A. I think the refectory was
changed the larger room. As the In
mates left, were not so many, and
they take a smaller room for refectory
than what they had before. Tnat is
the only material change.
Q. Was there any painting done In
the laundry this summer since Sellne
left? A. I think the sister In charge
there painted some, yes.
Q. And do you know whether there
was any kalsomining done this sum
mer? A. There was whitewashing
done by the inmates.
Q. The walls were whitewashed
A. The kalsomining was done some
years ago; I think, two or three years
ago.
Q. But the whitewashing was done
this summer? A. By the inmates.
We whitewash every year nearly.
Q. Well, the napkins I noticed
there were some napkins lying on the
tables there. Those napkins were
kind of unusual.
A. Ever since the change cf pris
oners I think these have been there-
have something of that kind there.
Q. There has been quite a material
change there this summer?
A. Not this summer; not at all sir.
Since the prisoners left. We tried to
get the two reformatories as much
uniform as possible.
Q. Now, Miss Crow, there have been
habeas corpus proceedings instituted
against your place there quite a num
ber of times, haven t there?
A. Oh yes. air.
Q. Welt what are they? What
kind of proceeding? Just tell the
Jury. A. I couldn't pxwlbly remem
ber the different rlrrumiitanie.
Q. WELU I KNOW. HUT WHAT
IX) YOU MEAN UY HABEAS COUP-
S?
A. OH. HABEAS CORPUS-
TAKE THE BODY DEAD. OU
LIVE.
Q. TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOUR
PLACE? A. YES. CERTAINLY.
y. THE COURT ISSUED THESE
WRITS TO CET G1H1-S OUT OF
Ol'R PLACE? A. YES SIR.
y. Now. In the Inst four yeais. how
many writs of that kind have been Is
sued? A. 1 don't remeuilier how
many writs. I know I hut prlminers
were pardoned out by the governor on
two or three occasions; wrote niu a
personal lettiT and pardone.1 thiol
out. Hut the wrWs I don t rrmem?ir.
I remember one. If you wish to reJl
that, I shall do so.
y. Don't you remember but one
writ of habeas corpus? A. The de
tails of them I don't remember. But I
remem!er the details of one can.
O. Well. I don't caie about the de- .
tails, but will you swear that In the
last four years there haven t been at
least a dozen writs of habeas corpus
Issued sga'nst your bu'ldl"? 1
A. I think I could swear there
haven't been a dozen. 1 don't lemem- j
ber how many.
O. There were aulte a number? A.
I can't tell how many; I don't krow.
Certainly not a doten, and I ccr alnly
think I could say truthfully not
half dozen; wouldn't be sure.
Q. These writs were Issued out be
cause you failed to deliver up the tm
Inmates, weren t they? A. Some
times they came out without our
knowing there was any one demand-
Ing it.
y. But the writs were Issued. Wen,
then what did you do? A. Sent the
parties away, of course. Sent the par
ty to party demanding them.
Q. But It really became mcoisary
to issue theso writs before you would'
deliver them up, didn't It? A. It de
pended upon who demanded the In
mate. If we thought the party wno
demanded the inmate was not a re
sponsible person or a character who
should get the Inmate well, only to i
the law would we dollver them.
Q. Then you simply mean to say 1
this, that unless you were satisfied
wlth the person that came there to
get the inmate, you wouldn't deliver
her up? A. Unless I was fully satis
fied of the moral character of the In
dividual I wouldn't deliver a girl into
their hands.
Q. Under any circumstances, unless
the court ordered It? A. Leaving the
circumstances aside.
Q. Do you know Rev. Mr. Hult-
krens? A. The name Is familiar.
y Did he ever make a demand for
a girl In there by the name ot Mollis
Hart' A. I don't remember the de
mand sir.
y Do you remember del'vering the
girl over to him? A.I don't remem
ber that It may have happened be
cause I don't do all those deliveries.
there are subordinates who attend to
it
Q. Before there Is anybody delivered
over it comes to your Knowlongo?
A. Yes, certainly, but I take no note
of It.
Q. But everything practically goes
through your hands? A. Ye', cer
tainly.
y. Did a man by the name of
James Hrarn, an attorney of this city,
ever demand a girl of you by the
name of Lizzie Kessler?
A. There was a writ served for
Lizzie Kessler If I don't ml take.
y. And Mr. James Hearn is the at
torney that caused that writ to b is
sued, Is he not? A. Who tliq Ettor
ney Is I don't remember.
y. You don't remember that? A.
No. I remember the case.
y. Well, habeas corpus proceedings
were finally Instituted by Mr. Hearn
to get this girl Lizzie Kessler? A.
Yes sir, there was. Some attorney
That was the case I would be glad to
relate to the Jury.
D Nnw itl.l (ha Arm nf Xli'Onnnlit
A Ttnrnnrd. or Mr llarnard ever n.ake
a demand on you for any inmate
there? A. I don't remember; may
have. I don't remember.
y. Did he threaten tj Institute
habeas corpus proceedings to ent out
an in male? A. I don't rtmemb r. 1
don't remember the ocoas'on. In fact
the only one I distinctly remember the
writ Is this Kessler case that he speaks
of. All the other writs I dou't remem
ber. y. In this sewing room, about bow
many girls did you say there were?
A. I said there were different aver
ages not always the same.
y. Now, what is done with the work
they make there? A. They work for
a firm. sir.
y. What firm? A. We work for
Guiterman Brothers, in that depart
ment. y. And is that work paid for? A.
Paid for. yes.
Q. Who gets the pay ftr It? A.
The institution, sir, gets the pay.
Q. Through you? A. Yes sir,
through the corporation.
Q. And you keep It? A. The cor
poration keeps it, sir.
Q. None of that money goes to the
girls doing the work? A. It goes to
their support, sir.
y. Well, only so far os you testi
fied as to their getting support what
support? A. To their support.
y. The money goes to the corpora
tion, and is practically kept by the
corporation? A. It goes to the sup
port of the institution the heating of
the building; buying of different
things.
y. What do you do with the work
that Is done in the laundry depart
ment? A. What do we do with the
money accented from it?
Q. Well, yes; the work Is done
there. Do you sell? You practically
sell the girls' labor there; It goes out
as laundry work, and you get pay for
it? A. Those girls, sir, come to us
to be clothed, supported, taken care ot
when they are sick, and receive a
home. They are supposed to labor, its
the sisters do In maintaining the In
stitution. y. And you take the money for that
labor and keep it? A. The corpora
tion spends it for the benefit ot tne in
stitution. Q. Now. didn't you know, too, that
there is a law in this state declaring
that to be a felony?
Mr. Clapp: Objected to as lncom
petent; not shown to be an expert on
the tow of Minnesota.
Exception by plaintiff. ; .
The Court: tlbjwt n " siiTtalned.
Crova numlnat on by Mr Clip7)
y Yiu stated that jou recalled
this I.ltrle Ketrir lialeas iorpua pro
.) In it? A. Yes sir, I did.
y. And wanted to fate tha fuels
about that? A. Yes sir.
Q. You may s ate th'tn. A. Lit
tle wan sent to us by the mun d'nl
court, for ninety days, I Cilnk. She
waa so vosng tiuch a inure ctria-.
that I did not wish to place h r In
with I ho common Inel rlat s of lie ty
at that time, or those Hher: and be
fore placing her In the pr s iners de
partment I retained her In a tr in
the convent, and sent for her mothe-
her parents, In fact. 1 asked them, ni
she was under ae. If Ihey would be
willing to leave that c 11 1 f er IX
months lo a year, InHtead of (he len 'in
the municipal court wls'ed to d an
her. The mother's wurd I d n't
know as another s'ster took ihe tesJ-
monv however, the conrlus'on ni
It
was this: Well, the parents rlgicd
the contmct
Mr. Hutts: Well, now, I object 19
that as Incompetent, Irrelevant, im-
material, and not the best evldene-.
Mr. Clapp: I think the fact mat
they signed a contract nf c ur the
contents of the contract 'wouii oa
proven y the contract, perhaps. May
be it h contract, and may I- It
Isn't,
The Court: The objection sus
tained. Mr. Butts: f 4ake the ground f-at
the parents can't make a contract of
this hind to put chlldnn In places of
this kind. It la against public pol cy.
Q. Well, what happenel then? A.
Instead of placing her in th pr Bon
ers' department, we p'aced her I the
reformatory, with the rlr who were
sent by.parcnts and suT'l -ns. o that
she would reap the anvan ages or two
hours' Vhoollng," and 'etrnlng ho'
sew, instead or oeing in ine m uu
department. At the expl'Stlrn o' h
municipal court sentence, or s very
short time after It (1 can't exactly
state when), the parents di m nd tie
girl. And I told them I hsd kept my
contract, by placing her In 'h re
formatory, and glvln? h r schooling,
an, n,,t letting her mix w h te nrls-
t oners: and that I required tha t f
-ni,M Vnn theirs! nt 'enst the rnn-
tract. the contract wnu'd n t te leal.
So that writ came to take out lrl
and I dnllyered her over to the n
O Durlne the time that you were
receiving prisoners commlt'el by he
Municipal Court, where were they
placed?
A. A short time pf er T wet "r
In charge as I sta'rd, I was five y ars
ago the 22ml of last Jury as on- as
possible I made a division so that
there would be more or les of s rtiv
tlnctlon between the r.rloners a-d he
younger girt In the re'0'TT-a ory,
and that la why we bad the tw" rv
formatorles np to thnt date, ercent fir
some years back that I have fi-got-ten
the lime the prisoner n the
reformatory girls were placed to
gether. Q. Well, now when tM eptratlon
was made, after that were d d vmi
as a rule heew the pr'soie s-'n' yo-t?
A. Thny were placed in the wash
house department
Q That 1s wh-re th lundnr m
A. Yc sir.
Q. This K-ler girl yn say was
young? A. Young a r'ri.
y. And on that Bccou"t y-u took
her from tho prisoners' ward a"rt put
her in the reformatory? A- It the
reformatory.
y. Now, as distinguished from the
prisoners' ws4 yu cill 4ln sown
department tike reformatory? A. Yes
sir. Now w call ther bo'h ret rma
tories as we have no pr'soners.
Mr. Butts:
y Then if I undrvnd y cor
rectly, in this Mo'l'e H-rt mae" yoi
got a contract from thi rtare"ts? t
mean the Lizzie Kes'ler ma'te and
vtinn hPvTflmft ftftpr her v-U a
: to (leaver nor up: a. iry iw
i
j tne paper mac i speaa i
O. Yes. and A. And I dmanel
that they keep their promise as well
as I kept mine.
y. You proposed to keen "e g ri
that was the sum and ubsanc'
A. Until the time ep ed that ttey
signed with the lnet'tutj-m.
y. And when you d'di't de'lver the
girl they went to the court sn got a
writ of habeas corpus and made you
give her up?
A. They got a writ
y. Yon bad to give her up. A.
Gave her to the law
y. Then you krew wen yon srt
this contract that It wasn't yod In
law? A. The parents hrf cmtrol
over the child, sir, at the time.
O. Then wny didn't you deliver hnr
up?
A. Well. I thought they m'gh' have
honor, as I had.
Q. Yen tlrrply tried to rnl ''ore the
parents, and when It wo'tHn't work
you had to deliver her np that m
it, wasn't It?
A. That Is your construcMcn.
Q. These parents were Catholics?
A. I wouldn't testify. I 'hink they
are. I wouldn't be positive.
Sellne Clewett, sworn In her own
behalf, testified as follows:
By Mr. Butts:
Q. What is your name? A.
Clewett
y. Where do you live?
White Bear.
Sellne
la
y. How old are you? A.
Twenty-
seven years old.
.Q Are you compelled to wear any
thing In your ears to help you near?
A. Yes, sir.
y. You have them on now? A.
Yes, sir.
Q. WheraboJts were y u born ? A.
Little Canada.
y. Is your mother living? A. No,
sir.
y. How old were you when she
died? A. Fourteen years.
Q. Is your father living! A. Yes,
sir.
y. Have you ever went to school
any? A. Went to school some not
very much.
Q. Well, about how Mng. do von
think. Waa It one year or two rears
or three years, or how long t A. A bout
a year.
Q. Where waa that? A. In Whit
Bear.
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