THE OMAIIA DAILY DEE: MONDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 160ft. FEDERAL REGULATION OF RAILROADS AND RAILROAD RATES of the legislature; hy combining with parties who had Job to log-roll through the legislature, and by becoming hackers of those John. and. In return, trading and exchanging voted, the railroads succeeded in defeating every effort made so far to get legislation, until thin Inst winter. , There have leen bills passed through one house excellent bills, and bills that were moderate that would be defeated In the ntlier hniife. and vice versa. The Chairman What additional legislation have the people been seeking I lnce the first law was passed? Mr. Rosewater They have sought. In the first place, for a reduction of the passenger rates. That has been sought right along in every legislature, and it was not obtained until Inst winter. It Is very moderate. The Inw provides for a 8-ceut rate this side of the lOMth meridian. The general demand was for a law that would define much more clearly what unjust discrimination should Ik, and, If possible, that there should be n rate law fixing n maximum, and perhaps also a minimum rate, with regard to four or nve classes or rreignr-tnai is. upon charge per ton Per mile. I have heard a great many railroad men at different times with reference to railroad legislation. They invariably snld that nobody but a railroad man could iosslbly arrive at any rational conclusion on this sub ject; that It Is one of those mysterious intricacies that no person can solve, un less he Is right in the offlco himself. HATK MAKIXfi SOT SO DIFFICILT A9 IS IXT! MATED, T'non lnnnlrv among railroad men as to how they arrive at the cost of trans portation I find that they have no difficulty about It. They arrive at It by the basis of carload rates per ton per mile. It cost the railroad so much per ton for a given amount of freight to carry it one mile; and they aggregate the miles and thereby ascertain very nearly whether they are losing or making money In getting certain rates. But In making rates they do not govern themselves by the cost, or anything of the kind. They usually ascertain, first, the character of the commodity, and the business of the party who has It in hand, and the grain, cattle, coal and lumber. I'pnn the ordinary lines of merchandise no one amount of charge he could staud without entirely stopping his traffic. They de- has sought for. or, at least, no general effort has been made for, and no one ad vocated, a tariff. PROPORTION OF STATE ASD HTKH STATK TR AFFIC, Senator Harris I would like to ask you about what proportion of your railroad traffic begins nud ends in the stnte of Nebraska, and what proportion begins in another state and ends In Nebraska, or lieglns In Nebraska and ends In some other state? In other words, I want to know how much of your traffic is state and how much Is Interstate commerce. Mr. Hosewater That would be n very difficult question for me to answer. I have no necess to the railroad records. Various statement have been made. pend also upon the local necessities; where there is no competition, rates are arbitrarily fixed. It seems to me if a railroad company can carry coal to Omaha and deliver It there, and sell it for ?7 a ton. which Is at the rate five-eighths of a cent per ton per mile, after deducting the cost of mining and loading on tne car, they ought not to be allowed to charge Vh cents per ton per mile for hauling coal to one town on the same rond and Vt cents per ton per mile for hauling to another. It seems to me that they ought to be able to deliver that coal at the same ratio, or at least something near it. 1 TUB SHORT AM) I.OXG IIAI U The question would arise whether a short and long haul should be treated I remember Mr. Dillon, In his last report to the stockholders, made a statement i alike. I would say no. I do not say. of course, that the short haul should have that a lanre iter cent, something like ;n or T per cent, of the entire traffic of the road was local that. Is. that It began nt Ogden nnd ended at Omaha. But even thnt would be Interstate, because n great percentage of that, such as the coal traffic, logins in Wyoming and ends here. To get any Idea of the approx imate percentage of local and through traffic would be very difficult. Senator Harris I supposed you would probably have an approximate idea as to the percentages. Mr. Hosewater I have not. I will proceed with regard to this legislature. These bills, as I say. have been defeated; nnd when I say there were corrupt Influences used, I mean exactly what I say, nnd I have evidence of It I was traveling, for Instance, last winter on my way down to Lincoln, and I met a gen tleman from Columbus. LEGISLATOR FAVORKD HV RAII.ROAIJS, He said the memler representing thnt county in the previous legislature of 1881 was sent there under express Instruction, and with pledges, to assist In ffettlns ur a railway law. and he had systematically voted the other way, or had absented himself, when he did not vote ngninst railroad legislation. He j said: "That man now has sieclnl facilities nnd special rates over the rond In his business, nnd he Is mining my business." This man Is In the hardware and I machinery business, and he snld: "I cannot begin to compete with him. This man has an annual pass over the road to go where he pleases. Besides that. I believe he has also lower freight rates, so thnt I cannot sell or compete with him at all." There are other Instances thnt I might cite where members of the legislature, within a few weeks, or nt the outside a few months, found their way Into Omaha. They did not even dare to go bnek to their own constituents, and they went directly from the stnte cnpltol into the employment of the company, either in the shops, or at the headquarter, or for the bridge company. I do not say that Is the present regime of the road, but that was the way up to the last legislature. PROPOSED COMSTITl'TIOXAL A MEM DM EXT REJECTED. When the last legislature convened there was an expression of opinion upon the part of the people of this state upon the question of legislation that was very emphatic. The legislature preceding thnt one had submitted to the people of Nebraska a constitutional nmendnient providing for the election of a railway commission. Our constitution prohibits the creation of any new state officers beyond those already named Jn the constitution Itself of 1N7". So thnt this rail way commission could not have been constitutionally created. We hnd an opin ion of the court upon thnt question. Therefore this constitutional amendment was submitted. That amendment was snowed under, so to speak, by a very large majority nearly 2 to 1. Senator Harris By the popular vote? v THE PEOPLE'S DECISION FRISTRATED. Mr. Hosewater By the popular vote. It would have been supposable thnt when the people voted that down nnd Indicated that they wanted no such ma chinerywhatever their motives might have been the legislature, elected nt the same time, should have shown respect for this expression of opinion by the people who elected them. But instend of thnt, there wns Introduced in the legis lature the usual volume of railroad regulating legislation. There were bills es tablishing tariffs; there were bills reducing the present mtes; nud in the general wrangling over these bills, the same tactics being exercised and the same rail road lobby being there pretty nearly every prominent railway manager was there they deliberately strangled every measure that promised relief from ex tortionate tolls and discrimination. Even the 3-cent a mile passenger bill was Toted down. Senator Harris That was for a passenger rate? Mr. Hosewater Yes, sir; a uniform passenger rate. They voted that down, and finally forced upon the legislature, and I say delllerately forced through the legislature, the bill creating a bogus railroad commission. I say "bogus," for the reason that a commission could not be constitutionally crented, and therefore this substitute was provided in the shape of three secretaries. They are the sec retaries of three stnte officers. The officers are supposed to be the commissioners, but the secretaries are really to be the commission. This was certainly not In conformity with the letter and spirit of our' constitution, nnd it wns in open de fiance of an expressed popular vote given two years ago this fall. There was every effort conceivable made by the railroad mnnngers and railroad lobby to have that bill passed, and It was put through at their Instance. They alone are responsible for It. What we have to hnpe or to expect from a measure that has been forced upon us by the parties who are opposed to regulation, and who cer tainly do not want any regulntion that will decrease their Income, I fall to see. Senator Harris This last act does not repeal the former act, does it? Mr. Rosewater it does not. Senator Harris Does this last act require the commissioners to enforce the former act? Mr. Rosewater I do not remember clearly about that, I have not examined it with that view. . Senator Piatt I notice that they are to listen to all complaints that are made under it. Mr. Rosewater While that provision may be tnken as strictly applying to the previous law, the fact does remnln that the commission Is clothed with no authority except to Inquire Into complaints, and to report the same from time to time to the governor, and through him to the legislature, for redress. Of course, any person who Is aggrieved under the old Doone Jaw on account of discrimina tion may bring suit; but there are some features of that law that are very lame. ( WHAT 19 AN TREASONABLE CHARGE? For instance, It Is a very difficult thing to establish what Is an unreasonable charge. Our constitution says that charges shall not be unreasonable. So does the statute. But that Is a very indefinite thing. What might be regarded as ex tremely unreasonable In Massachusetts or New York might actually be reason able in Nebraska. Again, what might be unreasonable here would be regarded as reasonable in Wyomiug or in Nevada. Without a specific maximum charge, or some limitation by law, that would show just exactly what you would regard as unreasonable, there is no possibility, in my opinion, of enforcing any penalty upon the railroads in Nebraska under that part of the statute, WHAT IS INJIST DISCRIMINATION! There might be an enforcement of it so far as discrimination was concerned. But there come In the words "unjust discrimination." 1 have heard my friends, the railroad managers, contend a dozen times In the legislature that there is a discrimination that can be Just and reasonable, and that should be allowed. Where will the line be drawn between Just and unjust dlscrimluatlon? For in stance, they say that when a man ships KM) carloads of freight he ought to be entitled to a better rate than the man who ships ten carloads or only one car load; and that It Is no discrimination against the shipper of the smaller number of carloads to charge the shipper of the 100 carloads a lessor rate per carload. I would hold. If we were to establish it and that Is what should be estab lishedthat the carload should be the unit, and that the shipper should have no rebate for any larger shipment, whether he shipped a thousand cars or one hun dred cars or any other number. Senator Piatt lo you know practically how much rebate the roads give on large shipment over a small one? REBATES. Mr. Rosewater That Is, of course, kept very closely in the auditor's depart ment. They employ a large number of clerks In the offices of both of the -railroads. They are called "overcharge clerks." Those overcharge clerks handle not only the proper overcharges that come along during the courso of business, but also the rebates. I have reason to believe that there have been rebates allowed, but, under this statute, the railroad company Is not likely to come forward and notify anybody that they have allowed rebates; and those parties who are en Joying that privilege are not likely to come forward and tell upon themselves, and hare the privilege withdrawn. The Chairman Do you think that could be practiced very long without being found out? Mr. Rosewater It might be, and it undoubtedly is, with regard, for Instance, to the grnln truffle. Senator I'latt The railroads hold that they have a right fo do it. They say It Is not unjust discrimination, as I understand It. Mr. Rosewater That probably would be the answer. If we should flud them discriminating In that line that would be their answer. But they never tell that they do make rebates. They deny that rebates are not being made. Senator Piatt Yet the course of business, nnd the way people conduct their business, satisfies everylnwiy that rebates nre made? Mr. Rosewater All I know W. for instance, that I have a letter in my pocket from s man in (iraud Island, who says that when he was shipping grain there he was constantly growing poorer and poorer. Vnd that he could not compete with the other men. The others were getting drawbacks, which enabled them to earn a large Income, where he was actually losing money. Thnt man, too, is' not a man who asks me to have It kept In confidence. If there is any desire for it, I will give his name. Iu fact, he makes this quite a serious complaint I .have already stated today and have shown that the rates on those particular necessities, like coal, are very different In different places, and are extravagantly high In the western part of the state as compared with this end of the state. So that there Is no doubt some legislation is necessary, unless the railroad com panies artt willing on their own account to right the wrong. THE REQUSITE LEGISLATION. The Chairman Tell us what legislation Is needed, in your opinion. Mr. Rosewater-In my opinion, cougress should enact that clause of the stats law it probably Is In the Rengau law which provides that they shall uot charge a higher rate for a short distance than for a longer one. Senator Harris That they shall not charge a higher sum or a higher rate per mile? Mr. Hosewater No; a larger sum. Senator Harris In the aggregate? ' Mr. Rosewater In the aggregate. That would be one way of stopping dis crimination. There should also be a statutory enactment that would tlx the a higher rate than tlie long haul, nut mere must ne some (lennniou m a smui haul. Does It mean ten miles, fifty miles, 1(H) miles, 150 tulles or 200 miles? There should be a national law declaring what a short haul Is, and defining what a medium haul Is nnd what a long haul is. If that were done, and it were di vided up in such a way as to say that the charge for 100 miles should be so much per ton per mile as a maximum, leaving the roads a reasonable margin In which to come down to the lowest rate, or make a maximum and minimum rate, and then say that for any distance under 200 miles the charges should be so much, and for any distance over 5O0 miles It should be figured as a long haul, and the charge allowed would be so much per mile, I think there would be no ground for complaint. Senator Piatt The medium and the long and the short hauls would have to vary according to the length of the railroads, would they not? Mr. Rosewater Not necessarily. They do not transfer, because they have short railways nowadays. Senator Tlatt If you had In the state a railroad that was f00 miles long, and you had another railroad In the state which was only 2.V) miles long, you would wnnt to mnke a difference between those roads In determining what was the short and what the medium nnd what the long haul, would you not? Mr. Rosewater I do not think I would. I think we would have to treat all rallronds as a continuous line nowadays. They are practically, in operation, a continuous line. They now load a carload on the shortest Hue and transfer it to any distance. 1 would treat the roads In that wny. MAXIMUM AND MINIMI'S! RATES. The Chnlrmnn Do I understand you to tnke the position of favoring the fixing of maximum nnd minimum rates by congress? Mr. Rosewnter Upon a few eonimoiMties only; as I say, upon the heaviest classes of freight. Upon that clnss, for Instance, which the people of the United states are mostly concerned in. They certainly are more concerned in the agri cultural products. In live stock, In provisions, coal and lumber, and In that class of commodities, thnn In anything else. Terhnps the best thing would be to make an experiment, and not to undertake to legislnte too much and on too many different subjects at the same time. It seems to me that upon those mentioned it would be proper enough to legislnte and fix a maximum as well as a minimum rate. The Chairman Do you believe your maximum and minimum rates would be of any practical value, because of the fact thnt you would have to fix them so wide apart? ' Mr. Rosewater Yes, sir; I should not think they would necessarily be fixed so wide apart. They certainly would not Interfere with the present railroad charges. If, for Instance, we were making the maximum charge today for Iowa railroads, and we made that the charge for all railroads in the United States, it would have to be a very elastic charged I suppose in New York, Massachusetts and Connecticut, a rate that would be regarded as very reasonable in Iowa as a maximum rate, would be extravagantly high there. I admit that. But con gress could enact maximum nnd minimum rates on lines that take into consid eration location and conditions. MILEAGE TICKETS AT FIXED RATES. Senator Piatt I am told that the New York Central carries passengers from New York to Albany for $1.40, which is less than a cent a mile. Mr. Rosewater Yes, sir; and if the deadheads and all the drummers were cut off they could enrry passengers in Nebraska for 2 cents a -mile. "It is main tained by the railroad men, and some of them, I suppose, would Insist upon It, that it is to the advantage of the railroads to reduce the passenger rate for a commercial traveler, because it increases the traffic on the railroad. That is the only ground that they could give me for carrying a comnuircjal traveler at a lower rate thnn they charge to a fanner, or anybody eluet : n.i i- Senator Piatt Do they make a lower rate to commercial travelers? Mr. Rosewater Tbey sell them a thoufiand-mlle ticket "at 2 cents in Iowa, and in this state at 3 cents. tr , Senator Harris Do they not sell that ticket to anybody at the tame rate? Mr. Rosewater No, sir. There are 200,000 commercial travelers in the United States who enjoy this privilege. As I claim, there is uot one pound more enrried over any railroad by reason of those commercial travelers going over it than would be carried without them, excepting alone the samples which the commercial travelers carry In their grips nnd trunks. Senator Flntt I think the eastern roads do not mnke any difference as to the person to whom the tickets are sold. Mr. Rosewater We will admit that there is a much heavier population In the east, but they treat all people alike. They sell at a minimum or very low rate to anybody who can pay the money. Here a large percentage of the people pay nothing. . The Chairman If they did sell to all alike there are a great many men" who do not want a thousand-mile picket and who would not ride a thousand miles in very many years. They would have to pay the regular rate, so that you are discriminating against the poor or the man who occasionally travels. , Senntor Piatt Very likely, but that Is not quite so bad as to sell a thousand mile ticket to one man and not to let another man have one who travels Just as far. The Chairman Is It right to sell a thousand-mile ticket at all at less than the ordinary fare which everybody pays? Mr. Rosewater I would consider that the proper way to do would be to sell everybody such a mileage as they need at the regular fixed price, Just as we buy postage stamps at the postoffice. Here Is one of the causes of discrim ination, and also of favoritism, because In this very matter there are those who are favored and those who are not. The retail merchant has to pay the full price. He Is. to some extent, a shipper, but is not a commercial traveler; he does not ship enough to warrant him in making nn application In the proper form. They have to show that they are heavy shippers over the road. The result is that those who have heavy traffic have the advantage. Senntor Tlatt You touch on the system of issuing passes; to what extent is that done in Nebraska? ' THE PASS SYSTEM. . . . Mr. Rosewater The system of Issuing passes on the Union Pacific, up to Mr. Adams' administration, has been very extensive. I have talked with the conductors, and they have said that at least 10 per cent of the traffic Is free. Since Mr. Callaway has come In, a large army of political strikers and followers, who have passes all over the state, to go at leisure, has been disbanded. The Burlington rond still transports, according to my best information, not less than 10 per cent of all its passengers free. Senator Piatt Do you think, if the pass system were absolutely abolished by the roads, it would le better for them, and that one great cause of irritation of the people would be done away with? Mr. Rosewater Certainly; because, when men travel who are paying, and they see large numbers of people who do not pay, they feel that there is some imposition upon them, or that there are people who are favored. The Chairman It Is a source of irritation to those who do not get the favors? Mr. Rosewater Yes, sir; and It ought to be abolished. I believe if they had cut down their pass system entirely five or six or seven years ago, and had then adopted a 3-cent mileage rate, instead of keeping it at 5 cents tip to within two years, and at 4 cents since, they would have a larger income In the aggregate from the passenger earnings than they got at the 4 and IS-eent charge. COMMISSIONS FOR SELLING TICKETS. The Chairman What do you say as to the commission allowed to agents for selling tickets? ' Mr. Rosewater That Is a subject I have not investigated. That is an in ternal arrangement among railroads that 1 have heard no complaint of. Senator Harris You have scalpers? Mr. Rosewater We have scalpers everywhere, but I do not think those scalpers arc employed by the railroads. They are parties Who buy through tickets from parties whose destination is to a certain point and who have bought tickets through, and when they have reached that point sell the balance of the ticket. , - Senator Piatt Every city has a ticket office for every principal road. How are those ticket offices supported? Mr. Rosewater In the large cities it is quite an outlay on the part of the railroads. The scalpers are not employed by the railroads. There Is another thing about the scalpers' offices. Th scalpers are a sort of detective system, In my opinion. They are used by the railroad companies to detect frauds upon the pass system. Parties who want to sell their free transportation to some scalper are generally immediately spotted, and notice Is served and they are usually arrested. I think that is one of the causes for doing that If the pass system was done away with the scalpers would follow. Senator Plntt Do you not understand that It Is the practice of the railroad companies to allow a commission to ticket agents who have their offices in the different cities for doing business? Mr. Hosewater Tbey may do so. I should not be surprised If that were true. Instead of salaries they may be paying commissions. effected could be deducted from the price of tickets. It would be a considerable item in the way of reduction. , Mr. Rosewater I have covered that branch. I presume. I have shown, so far as the people of Nebraska are concerned, that they will still continue to agi tate the enactment of laws that will establish a maximum rata, or at least a limit to the charges, and they will undoubtedly continue to agitate until they get a more stringent penalty for violations of the law with regard to discrimina tions and have It defined much more clearly than at present. THE JURISDICTION OF TUB NATIONAL. GOVERNMENT. Senator Piatt I understand you to say, with reference to all these roads that have been chartered by the government In the territories, which have stnee become states or which nre still In a territorial condition, that the government has full power to deal with all passenger and freight rates? Mr. Rosewater I think the charters of those roads are all drawn pretty much after the July, 1WV2, charter of the Union Pacific railroad. They are all about on the same model. They all state that congress reserves to Itself the right to regulate tolls. There is one proviso In the charter of the Taclflc road which says that congress reserves to Itself that right only when the road can earn more than 10 per cent upon Its investment. But I think It has been generally construed and held that congress can at any time legislate upon that Question. Senntor Harris Congress reserves the right to alter, amend or repeal the charter? Mr. Rosewater Y'es, sir; there is no doubt that congress could regulate the tolls, so fnr as passengers and freight are concerned, over the main lines of these two great rallronds in Nebraska. Senntor Plntt Because that is Interstate business? But Is there anything, now that Nebraska has become a state, which makes it any more dlffltrult for the government to say what passenger rates shall be charged from point to point within the state than It was before Nebraska became a state, with reference to the government roads? Mr. Rosewater I do not believe that on those land grant railroads there Is any question nut tnat congress can reguiaie win ircigm ana passenger xaruxa In Nebraska. On their branches 1 suppose it would be difficult. Senator Piatt Those have been built under the laws of Nebraska? Mr. Rosewnter Thev have been built under the Irene ral laws of Nebraska. They can be regulated, of course. iy the etate proper, becanse by accepting the right of eminent domain they have placed themselves directly unaer the regu la ting power of the state. Senator Flatt Have you a locnl pool of the railroads which compete for business east of Nebraska? Mr. Rosewater Yes, sir; I think there has been a local pool here all the time, or most of the time. I think I have got about through, so far an that part Is concerned, and the only thing I wish to speak of further is as to the questions you have put In the circular. With regard to the remedies to be applied by congress, my idea would be. in the first place, that the primary remedy to be applied is, if possible, to wring the water out of all the land grant railroads. That may be a confusing statement. WHINO OCT THE WATER. The Chairman Would you not wring It out of some others also? Mr. Rosewater If congress had the power I would have it wring It out of all of them. 1 Senator Piatt If congress is going to fix rates on Interstate commerce, of course it can fix the rates with reference to .what is the real, honest capital of the railroads. Mr. Rosewater These parties who operate railroads for gambling purposes do not seem to be satisfied, no matter how much wringing there Is, and will not be satisfied until there is a congressional regulation that will limit stocks, and will say how much stock a railroad company shall be allowed to Issue above its Indebtedness. PRESENT RAILROAD Bl'REATJ S1TFFICIENT. Right here I will say that the bureau of railroads, which for some six or eight years has been established at Washington, Is amply competent to handle the matter, as far as Its Jurisdiction should go. It already has Jurisdiction over the land grant railroads, and, in my opinion, all the railroads could be required to retiort to the commissioner. But Its scope should De enlarged. There siiouia be a limit to the issuance of stocks and also of -bonds by railroad corporations. When thnt Is done, the first step will be taken townrd curbing speculative rall rond construction. The real investors In these railroads have probably had noth ing to do with their construction. PROTECT THE MASSES RATHER THAN THE ORPHANS. I have heard a grent deal said about the orphans, and that congress should protect the poor widows and orphans in Massachusetts and in New England generally. If anybody who Is an administrator for orphans and widows invests their money In stocks that are gambled in on Wall street, he should be Dranaea and sent to the penitentiary. No person should Invest orphans' money in such elastic securities. If he does. It would make no difference whether ho Invested It In the Union Pacific or Wabash. If he had invested It In Wabash, he would have been wrung out entirely. A receiver has been appointed for it, and other railroads have had receivers appointed. It seems to me congress should not look to the few widows in Massachusetts, but to the millions of producers and con sumers who are subjected to this perpetual railroad tax. The tax should be made uniform and reasonable, and the tax should be made in their interest rathej than in the interest of those who have put their money into railroad stocks that are liable to be up or down from day to day. I do not think the stockholders of railroads have been suffering so much. I received this table a day or two ago from Bell & natch, bankers and brokers, No. 4S Wall street, showing the average value of eighteen leading stocks be tween September. 1SS1. and June. 1885. I will not be sure about the other roads, but I refer to those we are interested in. We will take the first, the Burlington & Qulncy. In September, 1873, Its stock was quoted at 90; In May, 1884, at 108; on the loth of June. INKS, 123; so that the orphans in tnat nirecnon are not very much Injured, or very badly off, even with the terrible squeezing the roads have been subjected to. In 1S73 the Chicago & Northwestern was 40, in 1884 it had gone up to 03, and now it Stands at W. I suppose that road has been pretty well Inflated, too, by its watered stock. Still, it Is held at 00. A CASE OF DISCRIMINATION. There Is a case of discrimination, by the way, right in that line. The Chi cago & Northwestern nre building a line through this state, in the northern part; and, as I am told, nobody can reasonably ship into Omaha from any point on that road, because of the determination of its managers to send everything on the long haul to Chicago. I do not know the exact figures, but I am credibly informed that parties up in Fierce county, Nebraska, who wanted to purchase white lead in Omaha could not afford to do so, because the rates were so high from Omaha as to be prohibitory- They are obliged to get their white lead from Chicago. This kind of discrimination does not come under interstate commerce. Still, it points the way. The railroad mnnagers seem to be determined to dictate where their patrons shall buy or sell. They not only seem to want to carry on the affairs of the railroad, but they want to be sure they can entirely control the commerce of tho country. COMPARISON OF STOCK VALVES BETWEEN J873 AND JSS5. Rock Island Is also in the same category in this stnte. We deal with that road. We find that In 1873 its stock was 80; iu May, 1884, it was 108; and now it is 114, on the 10th of June. . The Union Pacific was 45 In 1873; 35 in May, 1884; and on the 10th of June, 1S85, it was 53. I do not know what It Is today. On what? That was the price of the stock not only of the Union Pacific as it was quoted In 1873, but of some twenty-odd millions additional stock that has been merged into It rrom the Kan sas Pacific, worth 5 cents on the dollar, and lnrge amounts of other fictitious stocks thnt have been merged with it, all now called, in general, the Union Pa cific railway. Still, its stock is 53. . Certainly the widows and orphans in Massachusetts are not so bad off, ' after all, as I thought they were. So far as congress Is concerned, It certainly could legislate with regard to these railroads without actually Impoverishing these widows, and at the same time do justice to our people. I think the fixing of a maximum rate thnt would le rational and reasonable per ton per mile, and the establishment of two units, loo pounds for broken car lots and a carload as the unit for each carload lot, would be very essential for our section of the country. Senator Plntt If you hnve thought on the question, let us hear what you think the effect of a reduction of rates would be on the aggregate or net earn ings of the roads. What would be the effect of the 25 per cent reduction all around? Mr. Rosewater I do not think a cut of 25 per cent would be admissible. I do not think the traffic of the roads would Increase proportionately to make up that amount. There is a limited amount of overland traffic, now that four or five Pacific railroads are competing with the Union Pacific. EFFECT OF TWENTY-FIVE PER CENT REDVCTION IN RATES. Senator Flntt The cost of a ticket from New York to San Francisco, I think, is $125. Supixise that ticket was reduced to $100, which would not be quite a reduction of 25 per cent. That would have some effect to Increase business over the road, would It not? . Mr. Rosewater I think that with regard to passengers the 25 per cent re duction could be made very safely, because In that case there would be an In centive to travel that would increase the number of passengers very materially. Senator Piatt It would increase the amount of immigration, too, would It not? Mr. Rosewater Yes, Immigration and population. Senator Piatt And when immigration came, that would Increase the freight business. Mr. Rosewater On the other hand, the freight traffic of railroads Is not to be Increased materially by any Incentive of that character. A reduction on freight rates would not create new freight Senator I'latt Not immediately; but if it stimulated immigration and the settlement of the country, it would eventually stimulate freight. Mr. Rosewater Thnt would be at some distance off. There Is no doubt a reduction ought to le made, not a horizontal reduction, going through all classes of freight Indiscriminately. 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Sold and gnannteed by Mrers-DtU Ion Drug Cn, Omnlin. Kelt. SPECIAL VERY 10W ROUND TRIP RATES omeseekerS VIA UNION PACIFIC February 21, March 7 and 21, 1905 From Omaha. SI5.00 $11.00 One Fare plus $2.00 (minimum rata 11.00) not to -ml IH.OO In Nabruka ana WMUrn Ksnui nor 111.00 in KaniM ot Oakley er Colt. Inquire at City Tfeket Offleo, 1334 Farnam Thon 810, To Cheyenne, Laramla. Rawlins, and all Intel mediate Wyoming polnta, Llmon, Ft Morgan, Ster ling and all Intermedial Colorado pouts. To Oolby, Oakley and ail Intermediate Kansas points. To polnta In Kansas and Nebraska, west of and In eluding Manhattan, Kan sas, Columbus and Beat rice, Nebraska. The I'tinlrmnn t III, rnnl mnv rtnv n anlflrv nnd nthop mnjld nav nAmtnlu. i . " " . . ,. n. '. i ' i , ' . ,' J, , a """ jtB rates are not uniform. conHlrlerlng distance and service. B'.w". ."?.. "","" V:. " Tr. "f.-i . l",B nu- Senator Hatt-ln the case of Kas companies, when any .v.: ' """ ur:.,"',u, "dU 'ZULV'i:?. "l!lrl of gM ha l.n made in any city, the result ha. been that t . :.":",," : . C . "fX Kan have kept P to what tbey were at the former price. Would ile operate as to railroads to some extent? ageut uhcs bis Influence to get him to go on a line from which, If be sells a ticket over that line, be will be imUl a commission. Mr. Hosewater 1 think that Is done here also. The Chairman What do you think of that? Mr. Rosewater I should think that was an Imposition, In part, because It causes Just that much more outlay to the railroad company, and consequently prevents It from reducing the fares. As far as I can see, the object should be to give the public the lowewt Mssible rate for which It can affonl te carry pas sengers. , Senator I'latt It haa lieen testified before us that very large commissions were allowed Iu some Instances. by tho roads to agencies In dlstaut, cities for sell- i lug tickets. If the pass system should be cut off, and all the savings tbu reduction In the he receipts for not the same princlri Mr. Hosewater The gas receipts depend on the meter a good deal. They can probably regulnte the meters so as to make the Income keep up. Hut I do not think the railroads have meters enough, or rather they hare not the ma chinery to do It. ! Senator Tlatt In other words, the freight busiupaa Is limited by the capacity ' of the company ? I Mr. Rosewater Yes, sir. , Senntor I'latt And the production? I Mr. Rosewater And the production, and the commerce, and Its manufac tures. Hut 1 will say this as to this general matter: I wus before the Judiciary (Continued ou Seventh Page.) DOCTOR SEARL.ES AND SEARLES We uae our own nama in our business; you know who you are 4S lng bUBlnesa wll& Consultation PraS VARICOCELE HYDROCELE cured. Method new, without pain or loss of time. CHARGES LOW. 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