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THE OMAIT-A DAILY BEIfry TTRIDAT , 'OCTOBER ' to , 1807.
office ono day , I think It was when the sower' '
contract was to bo let , and v\e walked Into
the draughtsman's room nnd there wo siwl
tlio altered plan Wo were thunderstruck
with U and th < at was the first thing that
vsc began to kec that v > o had not been used
HKht
TtoMivutG- That was after the sotond bid
wan -riur In ?
Shaw After Creedon A Mahoney liad sot
the rontract.
Kountzo The tlmo jou speak ot here as
visiting Mr. Grraldlno was at the time that
your ( list bid had been under consideration ,
? T. 00 , wag It not ?
Shaw I don't underntam ) .
Kountze You had n bid In , or rather Mr.
Connolley had a bid In , for ? 7,9007
Shaw Yes , sir ,
Kountzo And il was the tlmo the first set
ot bids ware under consideration that Mr.
Connolley visited Mr. Geraldlno to get In
formation In reglrd to his first bid ?
Shaw Yes. sir.
Kountza When Mr Geraldlno told him
that ho wouldn't get the contract ?
Shaw Yes , sir
Kountze Subsequent to that new bids
wcro taken from Mr , Connolley nnd from
Crcedon k Mahoney , and didn't I under
stand from you thnt when jou put this
flecond bid In for this work , or ratlior Mr.
Connollcy , f-at ho did not know what he
xvas bidding on ?
HID WITHOUT SPECIFICATIONS.
Shaw Ho was told verbally by Mr. Ger
aldlno what to bid on. I said this , that he
was told to look over his oilglnal bid and
eo If ho could not cut his estimate down
somewhere. That we did by lowering that
J100. He was told also to see what differ
ence It vvould make Instead of driving the
Bhoct piling two feet six , as called for In
the original specifications , to cut a trench
two feet deep nnd drlvo the point six Inches.
Well , there was enough cut oft by doing that
to bring the estimate down to $7,100.
Kountze Are jou quite sure ?
Shiw Positive ,
Kountze I understand you did not have
nny specifications when jou put In this second
end bid ?
Shaw Nothing except the verbal explann-
, tlon from Mr. Geraldlno to Mr. Connolley ,
which Mr. Connolley brought to me.
Kountze I understand. Mr. Geraldinc , that
the spe'clilcstlons had been modified when
{ his gentleman bid on them ?
Goraldlnc Yes , elr , the modifications were
fully oxp'alned.
Kount/e And did thcji have a copy ot It ,
or was It simply verbal ?
Geraldlne It vvis verbal I simply ex
plained to these bidders the changes thnt
are embodied In this contract.
Kountze Mr. Shaw , doesn't this appear In
jour bid ? You say that In making jour
bid for $7 , 00 jou bid to drive your piles
nil Inches nnd to dig n trench and set them
I In ?
Shaw No , sir.
Koiints'G What did jou saj ?
Shaw On the bid of $7SOD wo were going
to tlrlve the sheet piling two feet and six
Inches.
Kbuntio Well , but when you made the de
duction , of $700 ?
Shaw When wo made that deduction ivc
were going to dig n trench two feet and
drlvo the piling hlxi Inches , which made two
feet six.
Kountze Isn't this the condition of jour
md ? If sheet piling la allowed to be set In
tren.cn Instqad of being driven , deduct $700 ?
Shaw That may be the language of It ,
but the Intention was to drive them In the
sit Inches.
Kohntze 'Wouldn't ' we have to assume that
tbo bid as made and as written would bo
what you Intended to do7 Wo could not
assume that you should do something differ
ent from what jou bid for ?
Shaw 'Well , yon can take It In that form.
Hut the language there does not convey
Just exactly what was told us to bo done.
Kountze This fact Is very explicit and
certainly Mr. Geraldinc or the association
couid not have required 3011 to have driven
these piles one Inch under this proposition.
COULD HAVE nE'EN BY CONTRACT.
Shaw It could have been anaiigcd In the
contract easy enough , because It was acr -
tel understanding.
Kountze Well , but jou must hold to j-our
proposition , not what j-ou might have done
uu'dcr other circumstances , but -what jou
actually bid for.
Shaw There Is no doubt that what I have
given lu black and vvhlto there is not just
oxactlj < what Is wanted.
Kountze It Is exactly as j-ou bid.
Shaw I undeistand that , sir.
Kountze And exactly as the association
would have to consider It In drawing a con
tract for you to do the work , and , drawing
It differently , I should judge that jou would
3iavo been entitled to additional pay if they
gave jou additional work.
Shaw Well , I don't think there would have
been any dispute about that at all. '
Kountze Well , wo will pass that. What
wore the other questions here ?
Uldwcll Were your present with Mr. Con
nolleywhen ho made this arrangement with
Mr. Geraldlne ?
Sliaw No , sir ; I was In my office Mr.
Connolley came down and reported to me.
nldwoll You are simply stating what Mr.
Connolley told j'ou ?
Shaw Yes , sir ; that Is right.
RosewRter Do you know In this $7,800 bid
whether you counted to fuinlsh white plno or
yellow pine ?
Shaw Whlto pine , and I will tell jou why.
Wo consulted mith the lumber dealers hero
and wo found that It was Impossible 'for ' us
to get yellow pine shipped In hero In time
to complete the contract at the date specified
Hosowater How much hlghoi was white
pine than yellow plno at that date ?
Shaw I won't say , because that Is Just the
answer wo got and we wouldn't go any
higher for It. But yellow plno is cheaper
than B ° 0J whlto pine.
Ilosewatcr Have you any Idea what the
difference In price was or would have been ?
Shaw Well , I would ray from $1 to $2 a
thousand ; that the yellow plno would bo
cheaper than the whlto pine , hut I would
not say exactly. Hut I will loll you that our
bid from our lumber dealer was ? 1S a thou
sand for vvhlto plno ,
Rosewater The lumber dealers asked jou
$18 a thousand.
Shaw Tl.at was the plco made by them.
Ilosowntcr You figured on fuinlshing lum.
ber that cost you $18 when jou put in jour
bid for ? 7.W)0. )
Shaw Yes , sir
Hosowater Hod you supposed you could
get yellow plno , what would jou have bid ?
Shaw Wo could not bid at all on yellow
plno hccaiifo thej would not agree to de
liver It to UB nt all In tlmo ( o complete the
contract.
Resonator Were jou offered nny lumber
by the exposition association or by Mr. Ger
aldlno ?
Shnvv No , sir ; neither Mr. Connolley nor
myself.
Hosewater What quality of white plno was
thla that you wcro bidding on ?
Shaw It wao to comply with the specifi
cation ! ! . The specifications did not call for
any quality ,
Rosenator Will jou explain the dlffcicnco
between the specifications as they are now ,
as jou found them on the present vvoik as
done and what mere was In the original ns
you drew It first and ns jou bid on It ?
BAD WORK ON LAGOON
Shaw I ilon'tknovv what the picscnt hpocl-
flcatlonu are but I had occasion to go out
on the works n couple of wee-kH ago to see
this navy patent pile dilver , nnd while there
1 just made nn examination of thu works to
see how thliiRs wcro going , And I found con.
elderablo nlteiatlon fioni v.hat I Intended ,
The sheet piling Itself , Instead of bolng
dovvu tvvo foi > l six , ranged anywhere from
ono t' ' ) two feet below the surface of the
ground ; none of It exceeding two foot The
coping should Jiavo been 1x12 and It Is 4x8 ,
Tlio ciieular ends of that coping \\cro speci
fied to bo bioad enough sn ns to dlebd twelve
Inches wide all around , but evrn In the
eight-Inch stuff It has not been made wide
enough tn dress eight Inches , nil around , and
you will llnd In the eenier of the sticks It la
only ulx Inches , There Is no waling put on
thq piling Is being Irregulcily diiven , so thai
they could not constiurt the work necoulliu
to the plans I mado. The piles are all zlg.
rag , sumo out and nonui In. I saw sevora
while there that vvuro cut 111010 than three-
Should bo In every family
imtdiclno clirst uul - IP.ils
traveller's grip. They are
iiival.taMo wliun tlio > ti > macli .
it out i > f oril'Ti ' < " " " licailnrlie , Mllouim-jj , nii > l
All liver UvuMm. Mill tm4 cfflclect. 3 icuti.
I quarter * through In order to line up tlio
face of tlio piling ami they arc no good that
I way for If ever any prosnure comes against |
i those plica nway goes the whole shooting
1 match. Then they couldn't use that face I i
waling ovvlns to the Irrognlnr manner In
which the piles had been driven and they
put In the waling piece at the back of the
sheet piling nnd made a kind of an attempt
to Kfoovc It Into the piles , hut It was the ,
clumsiest looking thins vou ever saw. The i
neat of It was tacked In by a couple of nails ,
lint nailed up. Now tlio plica were sped-
led to bo not lens than twelve Inches on
.ho head and eight Inches at the bottom.
Seventy per tent of these plica don't run
over nlno Inches on the head.
anitALDINE TALKS OK PILING.
Kount/e 'You tnado a. remark , Mr , Shaw ,
A mlnuto ago that the work la not done as
you Intended to do It.
Shaw Thnt Is right , dr.
Kotintzc Did jou Intend to do the work
otherwise than called for by the specifica
tions ?
Shaw As called for In the plans and spe
cification ! ) .
Kountre Then you state that the work as
lone now by CrceJon & Malnney Is not done
according to the spocincittona. '
Shaw It may bo according to the new
specifications , but not according to the once
wo bIJ on.
Kountre Hovu is that , Mr Ocraldlno ?
Qcraldtnc The only difference In the
, vOrk as done now and as originally Intended
s what has been shown In the explanation
I have given , with the exception tint the
> lllng Is set uniformly ten feet opart. In
.ho original design H was Intended to bo
various distances apart , 9 feet 8 Inches , 7
'eel ' 8 Inches , and In the very hlsjh portions
! feet 8 Inches. In going over the work
. ' found that to be unnecessary , that them
was sufficient strength without putting the
illlng In so numerously , and put It uniformly
en feet apart. Don't know Just what the
HITerelico would be , but probably would bo
twenty or thirty piles In all.
Kountre AVhat Is there In this matter
hat Mr. Shaw claims , that the piles were
so Indifferently driven that In order to
straighten up that work It was necessary
o cut the piles down to such a condition
.hat they lost their usefulness ?
Geraldlne The statement Is untrue. It
s either tl'e result of Ignorance or willful
alsehood
Shaw I would be glad ts take you and
show you Thursday , or jour representative ,
where II saw the piles , I know where to gofer
for them and Mr. Connolloy was with me.
Geraldlno In driving this piling , jou un
derstand It la necessary to get It back to
the proper facing and up from the wall
somewhat , and In driving the piling at
he bottom of the wall , as In this case ,
the displacement was greater at the front
side on the lev el bottom ot the ditch than
against the high wall , and of course the
uclliutloii of the pile would he to go that
way Now , It Is illfllctilt to get the piling
exactly lined In driving , so that sometimes
to put a pile In the proper place It was
lecessary to Incline It somewhat. Then
when wo come to put on the anchors the
illo was drawn Into line by being drawn
nto place. If It was too far this way It
was turned out with a jack and If It was too
! ar at the bottom It was cut oil.
Kountze 'How ' many were too far at the
jottom ?
Geraldlne Very few. There was one pile
set so far out that the box above It would
nearly cut the pile off to bring It to line.
After they had done this work I ordered
.hem to icmovo the box because from Its
ocatlon the remaining part was sufficiently
strong , and It was totally unnccessiry to
lave anything more and It left a better
Inished Job , by far , to cut It , oft. Hut the
'actor ' ot safety provided In this nnchonge
s very high It Is probable , If It was
not for the great length of waling , ono pile
every eighteen or twenty feet would be
sulliclent , 'but ' In order to get It absolutely
safe and s.ufllclently strong I put the piling
every ten feet.
Kount/e Have you anything further testate
state as to this ?
MUCH MOUn BAD AVORK.
Shaw I was Just going to sviy this , that
a lot of these piles wcro driven down below
the level of the coping. I don't Unow ho\v
tunny , but a lot of them. And there were
llttlo pieces , maybe tvvo , inches thick , put
gn the top to bring ( t up to the level of the
coping. In one ease I saw two or three
pieces put on the under .side of the coping
The whole strain. If any of that clay should
move at all , the whole strain comes on the
coping and It Is held ther by a little two-Inch
nail going Into the pile Those were speci
fied to be wood lag facrews and there waste
to have been none of tho&e packing pieces
at all. I will say this , that it la a very
dangerous thing to have.
Geialdme iAt one point on the lagoon
there were several piles diiven below the
required level , but they were not driven
below the point of anchorage.
Komitzo Not below the point that the
pile Is anchored back ?
Geraldlne No ; In these cases I authorized
the spiking of pieces on the top and pieces
of planking were put on the top and spiked
on and the coping was spiked to that. Now ,
the coping g-oes on in this manner. ( Ue-
sciibes coping from drawing )
Kounte What is the fact , Mr. Geraldlne ,
about using the spikes instead of using lag
screws , as Mr. Shaw saja the specifications
called for. '
Geialdlne The specifications called for lag
screws when wo designed to put the waling
on In this manner , on the fiont. There lh
the end of the waling , and there Is the lag
screw holding it to the pile. In this case all
the protection the sheet piling would have
would bo the hold of these lag strews In
the soft pile. In the other case the waling
Is put In dn this manner , mortised from the
back side , so that It cannot move forward
without bringing the piling with It. In the
other case It would only be necessary for
It to pull the lag screws. This Is the moic
expensive method.
Kountze What is the fact In regard to
fastening the piling to the coping. Would It
bo possible to drlvo that piling In in the
manner which Mi. Shaw spoke of ?
Geraldlne No , sir ?
Kcuntre The manner of your construction
would not allow the catastiopho that Mr.
Shaw Indicated here ?
Goraldlne No , sir. Let mo state that if
this was lease earth with its natural slope ,
Inste.id of the solid bank that it Is , the pllo
IE strong enough to hold It , I was obliged
to figure against the thrust of a locoo bank
of earth for this reason , that In the freezing
and tlmving this w Inter a portion of the
bink might be sluffed oil In that manner
and the piling forced to receive the entire
thrust of that luoso earth. Therefoic , I pro
vided for that I found In looking over Mr.
Shaw's drawings that ho had designated
only ten feet to put these anchors back.
Now the natural Incline of n HlufTcd bink
of loose earth would conin In this manner
to the bottom of the lagoon and would go
beyond where ho proposed to plaeo the an
chors. For that reason I changed his
plans , putting the anchor piles f in ther back.
Shaw You will find it further In the longer
piles.
Geraldlne That Is correct , but It Is not
sufficient In the short piles. The anchoi , to
be safe , should go bo > end the point at which
tlio earth would crumble It It vvus loose ;
otherwise It would bo no piotectlon.
SHAW PUKSI3NTS KIGUHKS.
Shaw I figured , gentlemen , that the lum
ber w hlch was being saved from the method
In which the work has been constructed und
the piano wo bid on as follows : On the hack-
stays there Is 21,833 feet. On the short
sheeting that Is to say , they < lld not put It
down two feet and six Inches that it amounts
to 15,000 fort and If It had been two feet
It would have been more. Tor the coping , It
was originally 4x12 and It is now 4 < cS.
Kount/c I understood you , Mr. Geraldlne ,
to say that It was 1x10 i educed to 1x3.
Goraldlno The nicdflratlcnu show It.
Kountzn It would have taken twelve-Inch
lumber , then , would It , to give you tlio curve ,
and finish ten ?
Geraldlne Yes , on the curve. On the
straight thrro would bo nothing cut away.
Shaw Iho having on the coping la 0,001
feet. The waling , Instead of being 3\S , la
3xG and that fcavrx 1.CG6 fret. The mortise
and tenon aic only three-eighths of an Inch
and I don't think they are much good. You
might Just as well have ttrulRht Joints , The
Plan shows them an Inch and the saving on
ih&t alone Is 5,010 feet , making a total , with
the cutting ot a foot off tlio blu-ot piling , of
19,679 ftot. and If you cut another foot off ,
which I hellcvo It will stand , It In close to
CO.OOO feet.
Kountze Mr , Shaw , In jour bid of $7,800
did JOH bU on a different specification from
that on which Crcedon & Mahoney bid :
Shaw I don't know. Wo bid on the speci
fications that were them for bidders ,
Knunt7c > Waa there more than ono specifi
cation ?
I don't know. I prepared the speci
fications myself nnd Mr , Geraldlno looked
. them over nnd altered notnc things In them.
| KountzeMr. . Gcrnldlnc , was this piling
vi hlch Mr Shaw claims ho figured on n toot
longer than that which Mr. Crcedon fur
nished ?
OcraldSns The sh'ct piling ?
Kotmtre Yci , si"
Gcrnldlne No. Mr ; Mr. Creedon furnished
thn Ramp length of piling that the original
plan call'd for. This Is Iho sheet piling ,
) ou understand , that t ordered from the Cndy
Lumber compiny and wcs the piling actu
ally used That was ordered and the call-
rrato made on the first plans
Kountze And was of the same length tint
Mr. Shaw bid on ?
Geraldlne Yes , sir ; that Is , you under
stand thit there Is very little ot this that
was put In full length. It was ordered In
long lengths and short. . A great deal of the
piling vsas cut at ten feet , eleven feet , twelve
feet , and thirteen feet , according tn the
depth of the lagoon , or rather according to
the depth of the bank.
Knuntzois there n different clcns ot
lengths furnhhed by Grecdon & Mahoney
than vvis contemplated In the original plan
upon which Mr. Shaw claliu ; that that orig
inal bid ot $7,900 and subsequently $7,800
was made ?
Geraldlno No ; that was ordered before the
distance of eighteen Inches was decided upon
for sinking the piling. The greater portion
tion of It was driven to the full depth and
so mi ; lower , so that this piling Is driven on
an average moro than two feet.
Kountre The piling that Is now In ? i
Geraldlno In noino places , there la a cer
tain location where It H short , where In
cutting the lengths of piling to get the re
quired slant that It was short and only went
In the ground sixteen Inches. I found some
that only went In sixteen Inches , but there ]
were very few pieces nnd In that case we ic-
qulrod vciy careful work In the puddling and
tamping to avoid leaking rather than incur
the delay of waiting for moro lumber.
THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
Kountze Crcedon & Mahoney were offered
that lumber ? Shaw was not offered the lum
ber , or Shaw & Connolley ? Now what was
the advantage to Mr. Creedon In gottlaig the
benefit of your contract oven vvnat Mr. Con
nolley could have bought the lumber for ?
Genldlne None , whatever. What Mr.
Connolley could have bought the lumber for
I don't know As to what the lumber would
have been furnished In the market for , giving
Mr. Crcedon an advantage , v.him I asked
Mr. Crcedon what price he had figured on
for lumber , ho quoted a price lower than
ho actually paid for what he used ,
Kountre Mr. Shaw , > ou say the price
quoted to you for white pine for this work ,
tongued and grooved , was | 1S ?
Shan Yes , sir.
Kountze Who was jour man who was
offering the lumber'
Shaw The Wyatt-rtullard company.
Kountze Did jou Iry anj ot the other
lumbermen' '
Shaw I don't know whether Cornolley did
or not , 1 did not. 1 was going to say , gen
tlemen , that in addition to the lumber bill
1 have given jou , there will bo fully forty-
flvo piles saved In that job
Kountze What was the value of each pllo
driven ?
Shaw Oh , It was worth a dollar , anjvvaj ,
at least that. And the bolts were done away
with , and I figured up that the price of
that wire and putting it an would not cost
as much as the bolts and boring of the holes
for putting the bolts In.
Kountre Mr. Shaw , wasn't Mr. Connolley
Informed that the change had been made
substituting wire Instead of wood , and that
ho bid with that In view ?
Shaw I Mil -tell jou honcstlj , I don't be
lieve It , because Mr Connolloy and I , the
first Information we know o It , was when
wo went up Into Mr. Geraldlno's room there
to look up the sewer contract. We walked
In to the draughtsman's table and there wab
the plan with this new section on It , hhovv-
Ing this wire and evorjthing else that we
had nevei boon bcrore ; never knew a thlnj ;
about If before That Is what made us begin
to think there was something wrong.
Kountze That , Is , jou did not know when
jou put In jour revised bid that this wire
binding to the stay-tie was to be usdd In
stead of wood ?
Shaw We did nbt. Did not know it. Was
never thought ot at the time. All the alter
ation that we bid on was to cut that trench :
two feet and drive six inches , Instead ot
driving two feet six Inches That was the
only thing wo ever knew about the altera
tion of th plan.
Geraldlne The statement is untiue ; abso
lutely false.
nidwell Your dealer bid on white pine
lumber at $18 a thousand , and that WEB the
basis of jour bid of 57,800 ? If jou had
known that you could have bought lumber ,
white plno lumber , tongued and grooved , for
$14 no , would that have made a difference
of $3.50 per thousand on your bid *
Shaw Yes , sir. We bid on the basis of
$ SOO piofit on that bid ot $7,900.
lildwell If , as a matter of fact , jou had
called for a bid from Mr. Hoagland and had
received an offer to furnish this lumber ,
v hlto pine lumber tongued and grooved , at
$14.GO Instead of $18 , jou would have re
duced your bid that much ?
Shaw Yes , sir. Wo were content with that
margin of profit and we could have reduced
our bid.
nidwell As a matter of fact Hoagland did
offer to furnish that lumber for that money ?
Shaw He did , but wo did not know it.
Hosewater Were you aware that this work
was to bo done in yellow pine , could you have
taken that contract at that time and filled It
by September 10 , as proposed , in jellow pine
If that had been accepted"
Shaw Wo could not get the Wjatt-Dullard
company to say that they cpuld get us the
stuff In time to finish the Job. We had an
option to bid on yellow pine , but we did not
do It
Hosowater And jou did not know anjthlng
about the purchase the exposition made from
the other lumber company and that was
tuined over to Mnhoney & . Crcedon ?
Shaw Did not know a thing about It ,
neither Mr Connolley nor myself.
PUUCH'ASfi ' , HUT NO CONTRACT.
Tlosowater I want Mr. Geraldlno to state
ns-far as he knows , expicssed in quantity
by feet , of lumber purchased by the
exposition nnd turned over to Creedan &
Mahoney ,
Geraldlno I don't recollect. 1 Judge It
was about 170,000 feet.
KonnUc Mr. Gcialdlne , In order to moke
that point clear , did the association buy any
lumber and pay for It , or did they simply
niako a contract for lumber and transfer the
contract to Ciredan & Mahoney ?
Geraldlne They made a contract for lum
ber and transferred the contract ,
Kount7o They never made the purchase ?
They never received the lumber themselves. '
Goraldlne No , sir.
Kountze Dut they did make a contract
by which they were to take a certain quan
tity of lumber , and that contract was re-
fnred to Cieedon it Mahoney , and that was
probably 175,000 feet ?
Goraldlno Yea , sir ; In that vicinity ,
Itosowater Now , have you that contract ?
Geraldlne There was no contract. It was
a verbal order , and a pencil memorandum
of the amount of lumber required ,
Hosewatcr Have jou no agreement In
writing ! > y which the lumber company fixed
the price In writing at which that lumber
was to bo dellveied for the exposition ?
Geraldlne No , sir ,
Iloaowater You Btated that the lumber
was bought at $11.50 per thousand ?
Geraldlne Yea ,
Ilosewatcr 'Was ' that all the lumber used
In that lagoon ?
Geraldlne No , sir.
Jtosewater How much other lumber was
there used ?
Geraldlne I should Judge that I don't
Know how much. The contractor had to get
moro probably 20,000 feet. I don't know.
Hcsewater Is that also yellow pine from
the same yard ?
Geraldlno rurnlshed by the same people.
Hosi'wtitcr So that , all In all , there would
have been 195,000 feet used In the lagoon In
its construction ?
Geraldlno Somewhere In the vicinity of
200,000 feet.
llotcwater Now jou stated that the piles
and the driving of the piling was $779 ?
Geraldine Yes.
Hosewater That , with the lumber got ,
was all the material used In Iho lagoon ,
was It not , and Included the labor of driving
thu piles ?
Geraldine I do not know as I understand
your question.
Hor" > water The piles driven by pur own
people and bought by the exposition , to
gether with 195,000 feit ot lumber which
Creedon & Mahouoy purchased and supplied ,
was all the mater/al / used In that lagoon ,
was It not ? \
Gemldlne No , I think not.
Iloscwatcr What was there besides ? I
am talking ot ma < Hil now.
Genltlinp Thjri ere cables for anchor
ing the po < ts , trip mills nnd the white leader
or paint that was used.
Ilosowhter How Jmlch white lead was
use ! ?
Geraldlne I < Jo not know. It was put on
the weal end of ( no lagoon for about half
or two-thirds the distance around
Hosownter I notice that In this bill ( I
presume It Is receipted ) the amount charged
as the cost of piles | R $145 si and the labor
is $419 10 In routv ) figures , then , the labor
which the exposition has bought is eqml to
$400. Now , Mr Gnraldlno , you stated jes-
tordny that Connolloy offered to do the labor
for $2,800 Is that correct ?
Goraldlnc 1 think his bid shows that
Ko e\v. \ tcr Did that Include the work of
pllo driving and completing all that work ?
GcrHldlne Ills bid will explain.
Hosewator I have not examined the bid ,
nnd I want to know that because I want a
clear Idea ot It.
ADDITIONS AND DEDUCTIONS.
GBraldlnc Yes , I think his bid Included
all the labor.
Kosewatcr So that , deducting what > ou
have paid already , say $400 , there would
have been only $2,300 to add for Mr , Con
nolley It ho had done that work under his
bid ?
Geraldlne I think there Is about $80 of
that that was paid tor the use ot Iho pllo
driver or for repairing.
Uoscwator Is that charged to the labor ?
Geraldlne I think so. H Is Included In
the complete work.
llosowntcr The reduction was about $ SO ?
That would make the computation ot labor
equal to $2,380 , the -whole labor. I am talk
ing about separating the materials from the
labor. The 195,000 feet at $14.50 per 1,000
would be equal to $2,827.50 To that should
bo added for piles atvl pile driving together
$779.93 , and the estimated labor for which
It could bo done or bought ot Connolley wo
would put at being equal to $2,380. I want
to ask now how much. In round figures , the
value of the white lead , the nails nnd the
anchoring jould bo In round figures ?
QoroldlriL About $100.
nosewnter Wo will place that at $400.
Hut jou are aware , I suppose , that only n
very small part of that work was leaded ?
Geraldinc No , I didn't say so
Ho owntcr That Is the rw < iy It Is rep
resented to me
Geraldlne I did not represent It so
Hosowater Very well ; we have then n
general computation as regards what the
cost ot this work would have been had the
exposition bought the material as It origi
nally had done so , paid for < xll the labor and
completed the vvoik on Its own account.
Did this bid of Conuolley's of $2,800 Include
the original specifications or was It on the
modified specifications ?
Goraldlnc Will you repeat the question *
Hosewater Was the bid of $2SOO , for
labor , made by Connolley on the original
specifications or on the revised specifica
tions ?
Geraldlne On the modified and revised
specifications
Hosewater Now the contract that was
made by this exposition right here does not
show anjthlng as to the depth of the sheet
piling to Tie driven or the changes that were
made , does It ? .
Geraldlne All that , Is shown on the plans.
In lieu of drivingbe ; ( sheet piling as shown
In specifications , the contractor Is allowed
the option of sViklntf a tiench one foot in
depth and not more than five Inches wide
on the line of said jplllug. the piling to be
dilvcn six inchqs below the bottom of this
trench . i
Hosewater Now , -was there any change
made in this contrast at all ? I mean , this
Is the contract ' , e\actly , as it was made , Is
it not' No change made after that ?
Geraldlne No , ( sir ,
Hosewater Injure It sajs the material to
bo used was to bo white pine ; was no change
made ? ' '
Geraldlne Tint wds explained last night
If the corrmittqp'wishes me to go over the
ground again , I , vv111 fdo It.
Hosowater I ( javf pxamlnpd , this oday and
the specltlcat onb call for whitp pine clcarlj
Kountze I bollerU the reasons were given
last evening why yellow- pine was substituted
for White nine. "IE It'Is ' material Mr. Gciald-
' c
ino can state it again'
Hosewa'or It probably will appear , then
because you will have a copy of all that was
said.
CONCERNING TINfi LUMBER.
Ge'aldine Perhaps a little moro enlighten
ment on that might be well Mr. Rosenater
stated that the fcpeclficatlons called for white
pine , clear. Sheet piling to be of white
pine , sound , free from sap lease knots shakes
or cracks. That is not cletr. Cit-ar white
plno would be worth from $18 per 1.000 feet
upward , as near as I can recollect. In order
to get clear white pine It would have to be
made a special order , which would take con-
"Iderablo time to fill. It could not be dried
by steam , as the southern pine Is dried , because -
cause they do not use that process In the
north , and to air dry it imspsrly would take
a month. Besides It would bo too exncnslve
and the only advantage gained in using this
clear white plno would be Its durability
Now , No. 1 yellow pine , which is under the
anie classifications here , the aestiictlons as
to quality a'e more1 severe and it Is a bettei
class ot material as far as detects are con-
corned. And after specifying white pine and
looking up the mitter very thoroughly I
found , as before stated , that it was un-
deslrablo to undertake to use It at all and
at the tlmo I settled the question It was
out of consideration altogether. Wo con
sidered It at all times , as appears In the
form of bid as given to contractors to bid
on. In which they wore requested to bid on
yellow silne Now , there may bo some mis
understanding as to the prices quoted here
last night.
Wells If Itwas understood that they were
bidding on yellow pine , why was the contract
filled In calling for white pine *
Geialdlne The specifications as first pre
pared called for vvhlto pine.
Wells I understand this is the contract
m'ulo subsequently.
Geraldlne In the contract It docs appear ,
but In cotrectliig the old specifications first
made that was overlooked and was not taken
out. But It was not considered at any time
and these bids will ohow j-ou that wo took
the figuics on jellow plno as the basis of the
bid. Now , for instance , hero Is Crcedon &
Mahoney's bid. Notice In the tabulation of
the bids wo glvo their flguics as $8,101
That is the figure on yellow pine , as you will
notice by the tabulation , and In the other
tabulations vvo took the figures on jellow
f.ilno only ; did not consider the figures on
whlto plno quoted ; no Intention of using It ,
and there was not a contractor who figured
on this vvoik or talked about It afterward
but what thoroughly understood that jellow
plno was wlMt wo Intended tn uso.
Wells May I ask j'ou whether It was
nndeistood by Conuolley lhat he was to use
jellow plno ?
Geraldlno Yoatsir , nnd ho bid on jellow
pine , His last proposition was on yellow
plno , ' '
Wells That was , tjo ) pioposltlon under
which the contract was , let ?
Geialdlne Yes * air , i
Roeewator Ard JDUI not mistaken about
that ? I asked you whether you were not
mistaken about that statement Uiat Con-
nolloy's bid was op ypllow pine
Geraldlne I ho f ) made that statement dis
tinctly hero several times , and I am not apt
to be mlbtaken In-a'positive statement ot
that kind , ' '
Hosowater You1 , naie } { the statement hero
also that thte puruliaso.was made of the Cady
Lumber company with the Idea that wo were
eavlng $1,60 , or about that , per thousand ?
Geraldlne I inndo what statement ?
Hosuwater Wait Uibt stated to the board
nt your Instance ( hat ; wo were saving at
least $1.50 per thousand In purchasing that
lumber ? | "
Geraldlne U was stated by jou that I had
bald so , but It was not true I did not make
that statement ,
Hosovrater You did not make that ( state
ment to Mr. Klrkendall ? Mr. KIrkendall In
vented that story ?
KVADES TUB QUnSTION.
Geraldlne Now thcio secnm to be a mis
understanding In regard to that matter as far
as Mr. KIrkendall is concerned In It which
I wish to maku clear to the committee. In
ray written statement here. If jou have read
It over , you will recollect I stated that the
bids were opened and rejected. I explained
to Mr. Klrkendull that It would bo wise to
order this lumber ID order to get It under
waj' . as I wished to get a perfectly clear
quality ot lumber , tlio beat wo could get of
jellow pine. \\lBhed I to liara It specially
prepared , on a tongue and groove of a de lgn
I would furnish. I wished to have It thor
oughly dried by uteam , n Uhed to get a per
fect quality , and I wished to have It sawed
! ono-quartor ot an Inch thicker than
the regular stock , In order to get
the fullest strength of the three-
Inch plank. I said that In order to
get this special order through In time It
would ho necessary to order It non at the
time. I also stated lhat If I P'U ' that In ( he '
specifications or asked the contractor lo fur i
nlsh material of that particular kind It would
probably add tvvo or thros If I remember
correctly add considerably to their llRiirra
In cotlmatlnt ; , while I believed , and cor-
roboiatcd that belief by calling up the Tady
Lumber company ( ho nnd the representative
of the wholesalers nt Kansas City cimo to the
olllco mid discussed the matter therel thnt
th6y would furnluh this lumber on that spe
cial order for ? 1UO per thousand To Re' }
that lumber ordinarily or get It throiiRh n
contractor's bid vvould probably cost $2 or
$3 moro on a special order , lltlt by ordering
U now and Retting whit vvo wanted at that
figure , which was the common price , It would
bo n considerable advantage to the exposi
tion and would make a mntirlal difference In
the cost of the work as compared with call
ing for new specifications. The saving to the
exposition company was thero. It Is possible
Mr. KIrkendall may not have gottcci that
Idea clearlj. or ho may have expressed ns n
saving to the exposition of $1 KO per thou
sand , which vvould bo correct , but not In the
market price ot the lumber ; but In the qual
ity and dimension.
llosevvater Was that lumber planed on
both sides ?
Geraldlne No. sir.
Ilosewatcr What was the dimension ot
that lumber when delivered hero at the
lagoon ?
Guraldlno Scant three Inches.
Ilosewatcr I will now bring In n gentle
man and present jou with a sample of the
lumber to show the bmrd Just what vvo did
get. I will Introduce Mr. Mulhall , who was
formerly emplojed for a Rieat many years In
Mr. Hoaglaiid's lumber yaid ,
Mulhall 1 was In the employ for the last
seventeen years or more of Gray , nnd Mr.
Hoagland part of the time.
Kountze Was Mr. Mulhall brought hero as
an expert hi the lumber business ?
Uosewater No , I told him to go out there
nnd get a piece of thnt lumber , and I wanted
to show by him lhat ho went out there and
that he compared It with the other lumber In
the lagoon as to Its size.
Kountze We will hear what Mr. Mulhall
has to tay.
Mulhnll All that I have to say Is that I
measured It and compared It , ami that Is
what I would call one of the brat pieces I
saw. There were not many pieces around.
1 was requested to bring In a piece and I was
also requested to measure II. I was told It
would mcasuro three and one-fourth Inches
and hero It is only tvvo nnd three-fourths
Another thing I wish to say about It , that
for that purpose this lumber Is too dry. We
sold out of Mr. Hoaglnnd's yard down there ;
wo supplied the bridge company with this
kind of lumber for their floor In the Council
lllutts bridge , but It was not tongued or
grooved in any shape or form , and the llfo
of It then , even with the sap In , Is only from
thiee to four jears with the wooden block on
top of It , even after being taned and felt laid
on It And the life of thla for the business
this is used for out in the lagoon , it Is not
the Kind of material that should be used at
all In my estimation for the use against the
water there With the sap In It , H would
ho a gieat deal better. The tongue and
groove of cotirhe Is In addition to that , but
it would be also better if It wns undressed
for that purpose , In place of being dressed
And then If it is like what I have seen there
In the face of it , it is vciy knotty and it
would not bo taken , It would not be al
lowed , It could not be used foi any other
purpose except there. I vvould not call It No
2 even. It wouldn't be accepted ; It could not
be sold In any market in the countrj only at
a lower grade than what It Is there. That Is
all that I ran say.
POOR QUALITY OF LUMBCR.
Wells lhat is an aveiage piece In thick
ness"
Mulhall It Is Just tvvo and three-quarters
as It Is now. I took a square from one man
and measured It.
Wells Is that the average ?
.Mulhall . That is the same thickness of
all the lagoon , I went along the edge and
took a equate and measured the tops ot tht )
planks aild they all only mcasuro two and
three-quarters. I have no interest in the
matter in any shape or form , but was Mmply
ushed to go out there and asked to bring
In a piece for this inspection.
Wells I understand jou to say that that
is better than the average ?
Mulhall No , I took a haw , sir , and cut
that oil a pleco that was theie
Wells Didn't ypu stito that the average
lumber there was not as good < is this piece ?
Mulhall No , sir , that is , it Is not frco
from knots. Thla piece that I took off is
free from knots. But jou go along the face
of the lagoon down aud jou will find lhat
the lumber is veiy Knotty and when It dries
out a little those knots arc apt to loosen
and fall out. Then there Is another tiling In
lelatlon to putting it in there in watei.
These gtooves here should bavo been ull
leaded. They should nt least bo painted
Inside , or white-leaded inside Just as they
were put In.
Wells What would be the llfo of that In
the water after being leaded ?
Mulhall I would not ewear to It , but I
would not put the life' ' In water \\t over two
jears , or two and a half , for It Is dry and
aa saon as it takes the water It will rot very
quickly. There Is no sap In It In any shapd
01 form and when the sap Is out of It , In
the water it is of no use. It 'is rever used
in the market for cisterns or anjthlng of
that kind. It Is ull right for lu de work ,
but where It is exposed to ithe sun or the
w either outside , or water , it soon waips
and gets all out of place. It Is good enough
for flooring inside when It Is kiln dried ,
or anything like that. The majority of this
stuff Is used to covei arcaways or the like'
of that where brick , perhaps , is put on top
of U or where there Is stone It is some
times used to go over sldc.valks in area-
wajs.
Kountzo What has been your expellenco
In using that class of timber ? Have jou
had any ?
Mulhall Sir ?
Kountze What has been jour experience
in using this lumber ?
Mulhall No experience , only what I have
seen. I have been U In the brldgo , as I
say , dowm here , fully three Inches thick ,
undiessed , and I have obceivcd the life of
It there , where It Is covered with woo Jen
blocks and tarred and tar felt put on It.
The llfo Is enl > fiom tlueo to four jcars
None of these firms ever kept a large sup
ply of this on hand , for there Is no call for
It Mr. Hoaglnnd supplies the bridge com
pany with It , but hu only keeps a small
supp'j on hand.
Kountze It placed In water vvould that
cause It to decay quicker ?
Mulhall Yes , sir.
Kountze Have you had any experience ?
Mulhall No experience.
Kountze Then jou do not know , except
what jou heard ?
Mulhall I never saw any of It used In
water In that way.
Kountzo That H simply an Impression
without any knowledge ? It Is fllmply jour
belief
Mullhall It Is only a very few years In
the market here Inside of the last eight or
ton jears , that this yellow pno ! has come
Into the market at all. Very few of these
western firms here can led It until the last
eight or ten years and nona ot this grade
or thickness. It Is used non for drop bidIng -
Ing aud for flooring and Icnldo finishing , but
none of It for outside work.
Kountze DliYi't you state that to place
that material In the lagoon In the water ,
that It would last only tvvo yeaia , or three
at most ?
Mulhnll That vvould bo my opinion , seeing
the llfo of It hero in the brldgo.
Kountre You have had no experience
with this timber placed in such a position
as this Is placed , have you ?
Mullhall No , air.
SAMPLE nnn'mi THAN iwniiAan.
nidwell How does It coma that there Is
no corresponding tenon ou this sldo of that
stick ?
Mulhall No what ?
Geraldlno It is only a portion of the
plank. If It was a full sized sample It would
bo twelve Indies wide.
lildwell Why didn't you cut off a piece
the full width ?
Mulhall There was none there There
was not a short piece at all that I could
find , and this was the only pleco I could find
to rut any off from There Is none around
tba lagoon that is anywhere near the width
of that lu tr-o lagoon This la the only piece
I could find I couhl have flshed out a wet
piece , but 1 had nothing to do it with I
went all around aud then borrowed a saw
from ono ot the carpenters to get this. It
was the only stick I could find , And as I
was asked to bring n piece , I brought It. I
measured the others to compile with fie-
thickness of this , nnd It compucs In thick
ness. Is thu same thlcknefs nil along. It h
all two and three-quarters.
nidwell Tint Is a fair sample , then , as , to
the thickness , and jou think ( t Is a fair
sample as to the quality nf the plank ?
Mulhall U Is an extra sample as to qunl-
Ity , I would call It , It Is bettor. Thxt is ,
It looks better than the most ot It that la
In the lagoon to sea the face of It Just as It
Is put up , for jou take this stick all throuRh
and It was frco from knots , nnd there Is a
great -dcit ot It that Is knotty And then It
Is ctvtckcd. just the same as this Is
Geraldlne Do jou know whether this Is n
pleco ot the lumber that wan shipped hereon
on the first order , or a piece of the portion
that was supplied to fill up Iho deficiency
afterward ?
Mulhill I don't know nnj thing about that.
All 1 know about that Is that I went out
there today nt 2 o'clock nnd rot this on the
grounds there , cut It oft of a stick that was
there und fetched It In.
Wells 1 would llko lo have jou state
whether the contractors , Crpedon & Mn
honey , knew at this tlmo that three nnd one-
quarter Inch lumber was expected to bo
used.
Geraldlne They did not. H was not men
tinned tn the contract.
Wells What was the date that you made
this purchase of the Cady Lumber Com
pany ?
Geraldlne The 24th of July the vcibal or
dcr was given subject to the approval ot the
committee1.
Wells What was the date of advertising for
bids for this work ?
Geraldlne I do not remember , but It mus
hnvo been about ten days prior. I shuuli
judge that It was about ( tin lltli that wo
advertised for bids Then after1 advertising
for the bids , receiving the bids , finding then :
toj high and recommending their rejection
to prevent further dolaj' , knowing that H
would take considerable time to get the lum
her , I then recommended the order to be
given , with nlew to using It If wo put the
lumber In ourselves or turning It over to a
contractor If wo contracted the job.
Wells What was the date , do jou remcm
her , these bids were opened ?
Geraldlne T ho 21th ot July.
Wells And five dajs later , I believe , the
contract was lot ?
Geraldinc The 13th of August the contrac
was dated. It was some tlmo before that 1
was let. Now , n word about this lumber ,
You will find In my written statement I
say that this lumber Is the best lot ot lunv
her I have handled for j-cars. If the conv
mlttco wish to be satisfied on that 1 should
suggest lhat they examine It cr send someone
ono on whoso evidence or knowledge they
can depend. As to the thickness of the lum
ber. It dhows. Yellow plno lumber when It
Is cut gieen , prior to the process of drjlng
by steam , will shrink under that process on
a three-Inch plank ordlnarllj a quarter of at ;
inch. This lumber , I should Judge from ex
amining it when It came , nt the time it wns
tun into the steamer and kilned would hive
measured fully three inches. When it came
here I measured numerous pieces of It I1
juiflsured scant three Inches. Scant three
Inches Is nnjthing over two and bcven-cighth'
Inches. The ordlnniy lumber put through tin
same process , of the ordinary dimension , tha :
this has gone through would measuie n quar
ter of an inch less. That Is the difference
that wfls made In the sawing
Kountze Then would I infer from that
Mr. Gcriildlne , that this beam , two and three-
quarter inches , Is not a pleco of the lumber
that was token undei the first contnct ?
CANNOT ANSWnil THIS.
Geraldine I am not prepared to eay
whether It Is or not
Kount7t This measures only 24 Inches'
GeraUine lhat Is all. I could not say
whether that was the lumber that was used
tr > Hll out with or whether it was a piece
of the original stock.
Kountre Was there any difference In the
thicknebs between the lumber that was
given under the contract made by jou and
that which was furnished to supplj the de
ficiency ? .
Geraldinc Unfortunately , there was about
a quarter of nn Inch
Kounts-e Then the lumber in the lagoon
is not nil ot a. thickness ? It Is cither heav ler
or lighter ?
Geraldine There ore two classes in the
lagoon , one thicker than the other I am in
clined to think that that Is a pleco of the
original order. I do not know whether It Is
or not I cannot say. But It has been veiy
thoroughly sundried after being steamed and
is shrunk to its smallest contraction.
Kountzo Now , Mr. Mulhall stated tint
that lumber In water , as it would bo placed
In the lagoon , the life of It would be onlv
two or three joars. Have you any experience
with lumber of that class under those con
ditions ?
Geraldlne Yes , sir ; I have handled jcllov >
pine lumber and used It In engineering
works for a great many jears , used It as lorg
as twenty years. This lumber placed In that
lagoon as It is now will last for ten jeais in
the water. It will last longer. Thcic was a
prejudice , and there Is jet a prejudice
against the use of yellow pine In this coun
try , which was promulgated and encouiaged
by these Interested In the sale of white pine ,
and It onlj' came into this trade when whlto
pine became so scarce as to give It the ad
vantage Being Ufaed more and moro every
jear , that prejudice Is fast disappearing
Rosewater I want to ask Mr Wakefleld ,
as ho is an old lumberman and understands ,
I want to ask him whether this sized lumber
Is what is clohsed as three-inch measure
lumber. It has been stated hero that thli
lumber originally was 3Vi Inches ; that It has
been oidcred as such and delivered as such ,
but is now 2 % inches Now , what do jou
know ns to the probable shrinkage and plan-
Ing ?
Wakefleld I have no moans of knowing
what It originally was , but if it Is 2 % inches
It need not have been over 3 Inches to dress
2 % . But if 3-Inch lumber were ordered
without nny further designation , that Is to
say , 3-Inch lumber , dressed on. one side , then
it would come 2 5-8 thick , because 2-inch
lumber conies 1 5-8 and 3-lnch lumber would
come 2 5-8
Geialdlne After what kind of a diylng
process'
Wakefleld Either air drjlng or steam dry-
Ing.
Geraldlne Did jou ever handle any sto-un
diled ?
Wakeflcld Yes , sir.
Goidldlno And was It thoroughly dilfd ?
Wakeflold Yes , sir ,
Goraldlne What did you find the shilnkage
to bo In a threo-lnch plank ?
Wakofleld I could not tny , bccaugp I did
not handle It until after It was dried nnd
dressed , und then It cnmo to me Then , I
nay , a two Inch plank , an it romcs to thin
market , after being dried and tin i dicbiod ,
measures ono and five-eighths liuhc
Geraldlne Shrinks three-eighths of an
InchWakcfWd
WakcfWd Threc-elKhthe. Whether It
shrinks cr It Is the dressing I cannot say.
Guraldlno That ! s two Inch
Wiikoflcld Yes , sir If you would order
a three-Inch plank drresed one nldo without
further designation than Just that order jou
would not got It thicker than two and flve-
ulghths Inches If It had to bo a special
thickness It would havti to bo so specified
Geraldinc On three Inches there would lip
n greater shrinkage than on two Indies , an 1
jou siy
Wakefleld I don't ay anything nbout
shrinkage I say what two-Inch lumbci IB
In thta market or what tin co-Inch lumber
will bo In tlilii market ,
Geraldine Is the ordinary stock lumber
that comes from the south dllcd by steam
before shipping-
WakeflHld Most of it Is either air dried
or steam dried You vvould not on a special
order , as this would bo , ordering A lot of
specially cut stuff to bo shipped In u t-poilnlly
short tlmo , It would nm nrnnlt of thn drjlng
process to a tullltlent extent to get the
shrlnknge out of It
ON DRYING Lt'MllKR
Gernldlne How long vvouU It lake tn thor
oughly dry It by steam ?
Wakefleld Jly strain ? Will , It would not
take so long bj Kleani. You can dry It by
steam In hium , foui to thlrtj-elx houis If
jou have the proper pioccss A tin co-Inch
plank It would take five dajs ,
Geraldlno I wish to state of this lum-
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I lees than two v ccks. Ton dn'jit wns flrat
I decided the manufacturers tlmo but they
kept It In for that length of tlmo. I wish
to explain something nbout stoim drjlng.
You can tnko jellow ptno lumber ni U eonui
from the mill , put It In n southern steam
drier nnd dry It s severely ns to greatly
dclcrlornto ltd strength. You can dry It
rapidly or dry It slowly by stcniu lly dryIng -
Ing It slowly nnd thoroughly jou maintain
the strength , don't destroy the liber , but jou
give It gronter strength. That wns what I
called for In this rase.
Wnkcfleld That statement Is correct
Kountc Have jott nny knowledge. Mr.
WakoflPld , of the llfo of jcllow plno lumbef
In washed earth and In water ?
Wakeflcld Some little. My experience hni
not been verv extensive
Kountze What would bo jour judgment
of n pleco of jellow pine lumber dried ns
Hint Is , In water'
Wnkeflold In wnler It will Inst twelve or
fifteen jcnrs , nt lerst. The plaeo where It
would dccny the quickest In my Judgment
would bo , If the water wns Kept at a cer
tain stationary height , nt that point and
higher up Is where It would decoy the
quickest , not under the water.
Kountze What would be the difference In
tlmo It would bo likely to docnj between the
green plno , not dllcd , nnd dried plno ?
Which vvould doc-vy the quickest ?
Wakefleld There would not bo any differ
ence about tbat.
Kountyo One wonfd decay as boon ns Iho
other ?
Wakeflcld I think to. I don't think
there would bo nny difference about that
Hut It you were going to mike light plllig ,
of course It Is better to have It dry when It
Is put in , bccaiibo then the nlsnrptlon ot
the water and the consequent swelling would
make It peifectly tight unJ keep It tight.
Whereas , If It wns full of water when It
was put In there would bo no room for
swelling to make the Joints swell light and
lumaln tight.
Wells In jour Judgment , should that
groove have been cemented ?
Wnkelleld Now , Mr. Welle , that la a ques
tion > ln practical politics that I don't tool
competent to testify on.
Geraldlnu I would like to furnish an ex
planation. On the west end of the lagoon
theio Is n variety of bolls and substratum * .
At the extreme west end I found the soil
black to a great depth , In fact , we never
got to the bottom of the black soil , mil
near the bottom wo found a composition
vvheio It was turning Into bhck gumbo
rurlhcr up , nt the east side of the Insln wo
found there had been a heavy fill made In
some places nnd a variety of conditions I
was doubtful to some extent ns to whether
I could mike that soil hold water or not , and
I therefore desired In putting In the piling
to make thnt watertight If possible Kor
that reason I specified paint tn the tongues
and giooves.
AVells At the 'west ' end ?
Geraldlne I specified It In the contract
wltiaut icfcrenco to how far It should go.
I was disposed , 'If I found It nccossaij , to
use It the whole length Took more pains
to drlvo the sheet piling nt the vvwt end
closolj together and to use nothing but whit
was as near perfect us possible , nnd to sec
that the Joints were well painted I dll not
rucceed In tint very w oil as well IB I ex
pected. The idea of putting paint 01 white
lead between the Joints Is to pull thorn do o
enough together so thej do not separate at
all and glue them cause them to adiero to
ono another Now , my Idea In that was to
get that work done as qulcklj as I posblbiy
tould , get the water In It as quleklj there
after as possible and stirt these planks
swelling by the nctlo-i of the water ns soon
as I pcwslbly could. I was defeated In that
by several causes. The rallioad con trur-
tlon was Interrupted and the lumber fallel to
arrive that wns expected We had to stop
work on this sheet piling manj tlmos to wait
for lumber , v hlch the Cadj , Lumber Com-
panj was trjing hard to get up iere , but
was defeated in dclivoilnc ; owing to the
famine of cars. Now , when we got out of
that part of the vvoik and further up thu
lagoon , fullj one-half the distance , II ral
feet I found lhat the elav that wo WPIO
puddling nnd packing hard behind the hc > i t
piling , It was satisfactory to mo it vti a
watertight. I saw no further use for u i
the lead or paint , because It did not teem
to effect the purpose I was aftei , nnd I did
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