CONSERVATION DECLARES Members of National Congress at St. Paul Find Him Thoroughly in Accord mth Their Ideas His Speech. BU Paul, Sept 6. Tho Natlonat Conflorratlon congress listened, with doop intorcnt to President Taft's ad dress today. Tho chlof oxocutlvo epoko substantially as follows: Gentlemen of tho National Con&orvatlon Congress: Conservation aa on conomlo and po litical term hu com to mean the preser vation of our natural resource! for economical us, no ai to necuro tho groat it good to the greatest number. The danger to the state and to the peo ple at lore from the waste and dissipa tion of our national wealth Is not one whloh quickly Improssoi Itself on the peo ple of the older communities, because Its most obvious Instances do not occur In their neighborhood, whllo In the newer part of the country the sympathy with expansion nnd development Is so strong; that the danger Is scoffed at or Ignored, Among Bclenttflc men and thoughtful ob servers, however, the danger has always been present; but It needed florae one to bring home the crying need for a remedy of this evil so as to Impress Itself on the publla mind and' lead to the formation of publla opinion and action by the ropre aentattves of the peoplo, Theodore Roose velt took up this task In the last two yeAra of his second administration, and well did he perform it As president of the United Btates I nave, as It were. Inherited this policy, and I rejoice in my heritage. I prize my high opportunity to do all that an ex ecutive can do to help a great people realise a great national ambition. For conservation Is national. It affects every (nan of us, every woman, every child. "What I can do In the cause I shall do, not as president of a party, but as presi dent of the whole people. Conservation Is not a question of politics, or of fac tions, or of persons. It la a question that affects the vital welfare of all of us of our ohlldren and our children's children. I urge that no good can ooma from meet ings of this sort unless we afcrlbe to those who take part In them, and who aro apparently striving worthily In the cause, all proper motives, and unless we Judicially consider every measure or method proposed with a view to Its effec tiveness In nohlevlntr our common pur pose, and wholly without regard to who proposes It or who will, claim the credit for Its adoption. The problems are of very great difficulty and call for the calmest consideration and clearest fore sights Many of the questions presented have phasos that are new In this coun try, and It Is possible that In their solu tion we may have to attempt first one way and then another. What I wish to emphasize, however, Is that a satisfac tory conclusion can only be reoohed promptly If we avoid acrimony, Imputa tions of bad faith, and political contro versy. The publlo domain of the government f the United Btates, Including all the eeaalone from those of the thirteen states that made cessions to the United States nnd Including Alaska, amounted In all to about 1,800,000,000 acres. Of this there la left as purely government property out side of Alaska something like 700,000,000 of acres. Of this the national forest re serves In the Unltod Btates proper em brace 111,000,000 (icrosj I shall divide my discussion under the heads of (1) agricultural lands; (!) min eral landsthat Is, lands tontatnlng metalliferous minerals; (3) forest lands; (O coal lan.ds; (S) oil and gas land; and () phosphate lands. Anrloultural Lands. Our land laws for the entry of agricul tural lands are now aa follows: The original homestead law, with the requirements of resldenoe and cultivation for flvo yoars, much more strictly en forced than ever before. Tho onlarged homestead uot, applying to nonlrrlgabl lands only, requiring nvo years' resldenoe nnd continuous cultiva tion of one-fourth of the area. Tho dosert-land act, which requires on the part of the purchaser tho ownership oi a water ngni ana tnorough reclama tion of the land by Irrigation, and the payment of per acre. Tho dotmtlon or Carey act, under which the ittnto selects the land and provides for Ha reclamation, and the title vests In the settler who resides upon the land and ulttvntos It and pays the cost of the reclamation. Tho national reclamation homestead law, requiring tlvo years' rcaldenco and cultivation by the settler on the land Ir rigated by the government, and payment by him to tho government of the cost of the reclamation. The present congress passed a bill et tgroat Importance, severing the ownership of coal by the government In the ground from the surface and permitting home stead entries upon the surface of the land, whloh, when perfected, give the nettter the right to farm the surface, whllo the coal beneath the surface is re tained In ownership by the government and may be disponed of by It under other laws, There Is no crying need for radical re form In the methnds.of disposing of what aro roolly agricultural lands. The pres ent laws havo worked well. The en largud homestead law haa. encouraged the successful farming of lands In the semi jirt'l regions, Reclamation. y the reclamation aot a fund has been ereatea of the proceeds of the publlo lands of the United States with which to oonstruat works for storing, great bodies of water at proper altitudes from which, by a suitable system of canals and ditch es, the water Is to be distributed over the arid and subarld lands of the government to be sold to settlers at a prlco suRlclant to pay for the Improvements, Primarily, the projoots aro nnd must ba for the Im provement of publlo lands. Inoldentullyt where private land Is also within reach of the water supply, tho furnishing at oast or nront of this water to private owners by tho government Is held by the federal court of appeals not to ,be n usurpation of power. Hut certainly this ought not to be done exeppt from sur plus water, not needed for government land. The ttal sum already accumula ted In the rwKmllon Mm! ,1s Wo.ns,-. KS.a, and of that all but J4.I3WW.SI tins been expend.. It became vory clear to congress at tis lust selon. from the statements msan by exports, that these ) projects could not bo promptly com pleted with the balance remaining on Thand or with the funds likely to accrue lu the near future. It was found, more over, that there are many ruttlors who have been led Into taking up lands with the hope ami understanding of having water furnished In a short time, who arv left In a moet Utstwslng situation, f recommended to congress that authority 4vn to tha secretary or tne interior tfea Uwm beads la a&tlclpatlaa of Uie aa A DUTY, PRESIDENT TAFT sured earnings by tho projects, so that tho projects, worthy and feasible, might bo promptly completod, and the sottlers might be rclloved from tholr present In convenience and hardship. In authorising the Issue of those projocts, congress lim ited the application of their proceods to those projects which a board of army en gineers, to be appointed by the president, should examine and determine to bo feasible and worthy of complotlon. The board has been appointed and soon will make Its report Suggestions have been made that the United States ought to aid In the drain ago of swamp lands belonging to the states or prlvato owners, because, If drained, . they would be exceedingly val uable for agriculture nnd contribute to the general welfare by extending the area of cultivation. I deprecate tho agi tation In favor of such legislation. It Is Inviting the general government Into contribution from Its treasury toward en terprises) that should be conducted either by private capital .or o,t tho Instance of the state. In theao days there la a dispo sition to look too much to the federal government for everything. I am liberal In the construction of the Constitution with reference to federal power; but I am firmly convinced that the only safe course for us to pursue la to hold fast to the limitations of the Constitution and to regard as sacred the powors of the states. We have made wonderful prog ress and at the same time have pre served with Judicial exactness the re strictions of the Constitution. There Is an easy way In whloh the Constitution can be violated by congress without Judicial Inhibition, to-wlt, by appropria tions from the national treasury for un constitutional purposes. It will be a sorry day tor this country If the time ever comes when our fundamental compact shall be habitually disregarded In this manner, Mineral Lands. By mineral lands I mean those lands bearing metals, or what are called metal liferous minerals. Tho rules of owner ship and disposition of these lands were first fixed by oustom In the west, and then were embodied In the law, and they have worked, on the whole, ao fairly and well that I do not think It Is wise to attempt to change or better them. Forest Lands. Nothing can he more Important In the matter of conservation than tho treatment of our forest lands. It was probably the ruthless destruction of forests In the older states that first called attention to a halt In the waste of our resources. This was reoognlzed by congress by an act authorising the executive to reserve from entry and set aside publlo timber lands aa national forests Speaking generally, there has boen reserved of the existing forests about seventy per cent of all the timber lands of the government Tmhin these forests (Including 39,000.000 acres In two forests In Alaska) are, 193, 000,000 Of acres, of whloh 1(4,000,001 of acres are In the United States proper and Include within their boundaries some thing like 3,000,000 of acres that belong to the state or to private individuals. We have then, excluding Alaska forests, a total of about 141,000,000 acres of forests belonging to the government which Is being treated In ncoord with the princi ples of oclentlflo forestry. Thi government Umber In this coun try amounts to only one-fourth of all the ttmber, the rest being In prlvato own ership. Only three per cent of that which Is In private ownership Is looked after properly nnd treated according to mod em rules of forestry. The usual de structive waste nnd neglect continues In the -remainder of the forests owned by private persons and corporations. It Is estimated that Are nlone destroys $50,000. 000 worth of timber a year. The management of forests not on publlo land Is beyond the Jurisdiction of the fed eral government If anything can be done hv law It must be done by the state leg- Watures. I believe that It Is within their constitutional power to require the en forcement of regulations In the general publla Intoreat. as to Are and other causes of wasto In the management of forests owned by prlvato Individuals and corporations. I have shown sufficiently the conditions as to federal forestry to Indicate that no further legislation la needed at the mo ment except an Increase In the fire pro tection to national forests and an act vesting the executive with full power to make forest reservations In every state where government land Is timber-covered. or where the lnnd Is needed for forestry purposes. Coal Lands. The next subject, and one most Impor tant for our consideration, Is the disposi tion of the coal lands In the United States and In Ataska. First as to those In 111 United States. At the beginning of this administration they were classl ned coal lands amounting to t,4Ts.0O) acres,, and there were witnflrawn from entry for purposes of classification IT,' H4T.O0O acres. Since that time there have been withdrawn by my order from entry for classification T7.6tS.000 acres, making a total withdrawal of 16.515,000 acres. Meantime, of the acres thus withdrawn, 11.371.000 have been classified and found not to contain coal, and nave on re stored to agricultural entry, und 4.3M.0O0 acres have been classlfled as coal lands; white 7S.7SS.000 acrwi remain withdrawn from entry and await classtncatlon. In addition 530,000 ncres have been classi fied as coal lands without prior withdraw. a, thus Increasing the classified coal lands to 10.1C3.000 acres. Under the laws providing for the dispo sition of coal lands, the minimum price at which lands are permitted to be sold la 10 an acre; but the secretary of the Interior has the power to flx a maximum price nnd sell at that price, By the first regulations governing appraisal, ar proved April . 1W7. the minimum was JtO, as provided by law. nnq the maximum was 9100. and tho highest prlco actually placed upon any land sold was TTi. Un der the new regulations, adopted April 10. 1M9. the maximum price was Increased to X except in regions where there are large mines, where no maximum limit is fixed and the price Is Determined by the estimated tons of ooal to the acre. The highest price fixed for any land under this regulation "as wen iws. Th ao uralsal value of the lands classified aa coal lands and valued under the new and otd regulations Is shown to bo as follows i S0XW1 acres, valued under the old regu lations at M7.H.SX. an average of SIS an acre: nnd B.SI.TQC! acres classified nnd 'valued under the new regulation at JSI. .:. or a total of 10.tO.C3 acres, val uta at iTl.i..&u. For the year ending March M, 1509. 37 coal entries were made, embracing an . are 01 ;sj.i acres, wmcn sold ror jess.' 07X40. tor the year endlnr March XL MIS, there were 17 entries, embracing aa area of 3,412 acres, which sold for fCOS, 813; and down to August, 1910, there were but 17 entries, with an area of 1,720 acres, which sold for $33,910.60, making a dispo sition of the coal lands In the last two yars of about 00,000 acres for $1,306,000. The present congress, as already said, has separated the surface of coal lands, either classified or withdrawn for classi fication, from tho coal beneath, so as to permit at all times homestead entries upon the surface of lands useful for ag riculture and to reserve the ownership In tho coal to the government. The ques tion which remains to be considered Is whcttior the existing law for the sale of the coal In the ground should continue In force or be repealed and a new method of disposition adopted. Under the present law tho absolute title tn the coal be neath the surface passes to the granteo of the government The price Hxed Is upon nn estimated amount of the tons of coal per acrn beneath the surface, and the prices nre fixed so that the earnings will only be a reasonable profit upon tho amount paid nnd the Investment noces sary. Hut, of course, this Is more or loss guesswork, and the government parts with tho ownership of the coal In the gTo'md absolutely. Authorities of the ge ological survey estimate that In the United States today there Is a supply of about three thousand billions of tons of coal, and that of this one thousand billions are Inthnpubllc domnln. Of course, the oth er two thousand billions are within prlvato ownership and under no moro control aa to the use or the prlcss at which tho coal may be sold than any other private property. If tho government leases the coal lands nnd acts as any landlord would, and Imposes conditions In Its leases like those which are now Imposed by the owners In fee of coal mines In the various coat regions of the east then It would retain over the disposition of the coal deposits a choice as to the assignee of the lease, or of resuming possession at the end of the term of the lease, which might ranlly be framed to enable It to exercise a limited but effective control In the disposition and sate of the coat to the public. It has been urged that the leasing system has never been adopted In this country, nnd that Its adoption would largely Interfere with the Investment of capital and the proper development and opening up of the coal resources. I ven ture to differ entirely from this view. The question as to how great an area ought to be Included In a lease to one Individual or corporation, Is not free from difficulty; but In view of the fact that the government retains control as owner, I think there might be some liberality tn the amount leased, and that 2,500 acres would not bo too great a maximum. By tho opportunity to readjust the terms upon which the coal shall be held by the tenant, either at the end of eaoh lcaso or at periods during tho term, the government may secure the benefit of sharing In the Increased price of coal and the additional profit made by the tenant By imposing conditions In respect to the chnractor of work to be done In the mines, the government may control tho character of tho development of the mines and tho treatment of employes with reference to safety. By denying the right to transfer the lease except by the written permission of the governmental authorities, It may withhold the needed consent when It Is proposed to transfer the leasehold to persons Interested In es tablishing a monopoly of coal production tn any state or neighborhood. The change from the absolute grant to the leasing system will Involve a good deal of trouble In the outset, and the training of experts In the matter of making proper leases; but the change will be a good one and can be mado. The change is In the Interest of conservation, and I am glad to approve it Alaska Coal Lands. The Investigation of the geological sur vey show that the coal properties In Alaska cover about 1,800 square miles, and that there are known to be available about 15,000,000,000 tons. This is, however, an underestimate of the coal In Alaska, because further developments will prob ably Increase this amount many times; but we can say with considerable cer tainty that there are two fields on the Pacific, slope which can bo reached by railways at a reasonable cost from deep water in one case about fifty miles and In the othor case of about ICO miles, which wilt afford oertalnly 0,000,000,000 tons of coal, more than half of which Is or a very high grade of bituminous and of anthracite. It Is estimated to be worth, in the ground, one-half a cent a ton, which makes Its value per acre from $50 to $500. Tho coktng-coal lands of Penn sylvania ore worth from $800 to $1,000 an acre, while other Appalachian nolda are worth from $10 to $3S8 an acre, and the fields In the central states from $10 to $2,000 an acre, and In the Itocky moun tains $10 to $W0 an acre. The demand for coal on the Paclfla coast Is for about 4.50O.O0O tons a year. It would encounter the competition of cheap fuel oil. of which tho equivalent of 12.000,000 tons of coal a year Is used there. It Is estimated that the coal could be laid down at Se attle or San Francisco, a high-grnde bi tuminous, at $4 a ton and anthraclto at 15 or W a ton. The price of coal on the Pacific slope varies greatly from time to time In the year and from year to year n-on tt to 112 a ton. with a regular coal supply established, tho expert of the geological survey, Mr. Brooks, who has made a report on the subject, do not think there would be nn excessive rofit In the Alaska coal mining because the price at which the coal could be sold would be considerably lowered by compe tition trom tnese neids and by the ores ence of crude fuel oil. The history of the laws affecting the disposition of Alaska coal lands shows them to need amend ment badly. On November 12. 1JOS. President Boose- rlt Issued an executive order with drawing all coal lands from location and entry In Alaska. On May IS, 1907. he modified tho order so as to permit valid locutions made prior to the withdrawal on November II. IWS, to proceed to entry and patent. lTlor to that date some SCO claims had bean riled, most of them Bald to bo Mogul because either made fraudu lently by dummy entrymen In the Inter est of one Individual or corporation, or because of agreements made prior to lo cation between the applicants toco-operate in ueveioping me lanas. There ore 33 claims for 10) acres each, known aa the "Cunningham clalma." which are claimed to be valid en the ground that they were made by an attorney for 33 different and bona tide claimants who, as alleged, paid their money and took the proper steps to locate their entries and protect them. The representatives of the government In the hearings before the land ofllce have attacked the validity of these Cunningham claims on the ground that prior to their location there was an understanding between the claimants to pool their claims after they bad been perfected and unite them tn one com' pany. The trend or decision seems to show that such an agreement would In validate the claims, although under the subsequent law of May 23. 15CS. the con solldatlon of such clalma was permitted. after location and entry, In tracts of 2,50 acres. It would be. of court. Iro proper for me to Intimate what the re sult of the Issue as to the Cunningham nnd other Aiasta claims is likely to be. but It ought to be distinctly understood that no private claims for Alaska coal lands have aa yet been allowed or ter. foctod, and also that whatever the result as to pending claims, the existing coal land laws of Alaska are most unsatisfac tory and should be radically amended. To begin with, the purchase price of the land la a flat rate of $10 per acre, al though, as we have aeen. the estimate of the agent of the geological survey would carry up tha maximum of value to $500 an acre. In my Judgment It la essential, In the proper development of Alaska that these coal lands should be opened, ana that the Pacific slope should be given the benefit of the comparatively cheap coal of fine quality which can be furntshod at a reasonable price from these fields; but the public, through thk government. ought certainly to retain a wise control nnd Interest In these coal deposits, and I think it may ao so sareiy it congress win authorize the granting of leases, as al ready suggested for government coal lands In the Unltod 8tates, with provi sions forbidding the transfer of the leases except with the consent of the government thus prevontlng their acqui sition by a combination or monopoly and upon limitations as to tho area to be in cluded In any one lease to one Individual, and at a certain moderate rental, witn royalties upon the coal mined propor tioned to the market value of the coal either at Seattle or at San Francisco. Of course such lease 1 should contain condi tions reaulrlng tho erection of proper plants, tho proper development by mod ern mining methods of the properties leased, and the use of every known and practical means and device for saving the life of the miners. OH and Gaa Lands. In the lost administration thero wero withdrawn from agricultural entry 2.820,- 000 acres of supposed oil land In Califor nia; about a million and a half acres In' Louisiana, of which only 6, wo acres wero known to be vacant unappropria ted land; 75,000 acres In Oregon and 174,- 000 acres In Wyoming, making a total of noarly 4,000,000 acres. In September, 1909, I directed that all publla oil lands, whether then withdrawn or not, should be withheld from disposition ponding con gressional action, for the reason that the existing placer mining law, although mado applicable to deposits of this char actor, Is not sultablo to such lands, and for tho further reason that It seemed de sirable to reserve certain fuel-oil deposits tor the use of the American navy. Ac cordingly the form of all existing with drawals was changed, and new with drawals aggregating 2,750.000 acres were mode In Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming. Flold examinations during the year showed that of tho original withdrawals, 2,170,- 000 acres wero not valuable for oil, and they were restoroa ror agricultural entry. Meantime, other withdrawals of publla oil lands In these states wero made, so that July 1, 1910, tho outstanding with drawals then amounted to 4,550,000 acres. Ths needed oil and gas law Is essential ly a leasing law. In their natural occur rence, oil and gas cannot bo measured In terms of acres, like coal, nnd It follows that exclusive title to theso products can normally be secured only after they reach the surface. Oil should be disposed of as a commodity In terms of barrels of transportable product rather than tn acros of real estate. This Is, of course, the reason for the practically universal adoption of tho leasing system wherever oil land la In private ownership. The government thus would not bo entering on an experiment, but simply putting Into offect a plan successfully opcroted In private contracts. Why should not ths government aa a landowner doa! directly with the oil producer rather than through the Intervention of a middleman to whom tha government gives tltlo to tho landT The principal underlying feature of such legislation should be tho exercise of beneficial control rather than the collec tion of revenue. As not only the largest owner of oil lands, but as a prospective large consumer of oil by roason of the Increasing use of fuel oil by the navy, the federal government Is directly con cerned both In encouraging rational de velopment and at .tho same time insuring the longest possible life to the oil sup ply. One of ths dlfneultlea presented, espe cially In the California fields, la that ths Southern Paclflc railroad owns every other section of land In the oil Held, and in those fields the oil aeems to be In a common reservoir, or series of reser voirs, communicating through the oil sands, so that the excessive draining of oil at one well, or on the railroad - terri tory generally, would exhaust the oil In the government land, nonce it is im portant that If the government Is to havo Its share of the oil It should begin the opontng of wells on Its own property. It has been suggested, and I bellevo the suggestion to be a sound one, that per mits bo Issued to a prospector for oil giving him tho right to prospect for two yoars over a oertaln tract of government land for the dlsoovery of oil. the right to bo evidenced by a license for which he pays a small sum. When the oil Is dis covered, then he acquires tltlo to a cer tain tract, much In the same way aa ho would acquire title under a mining taw. Of course If tho system of leasing Is adopted, then ho would be given the benefit of a lease upon terms llko that above suggested. What has been said In respect to oil applies also to government gaa lands. t Phosphate Lands. Phosphorus Is one of the three essen tials to plant growth, the other elements being nitrogen nnd potash. Of these three, phosphorus is by all odds tho aenrcest element In nature. It Is easily extracted In useful form from the phoa- phate rock, and the United States con tains the greatest known deposits of this rock In the world. They are found In Wyoming, Utah and Florida, as well as In South Carolina, Georgia and Tennes see. The government phosphate lands nre confined to Wyoming. Utah and Florida. Prior to March 4. 1909. there were 4,000,000 acres withdrawn from agricultural entry In the ground that the land covered phos phate rock. Since that time, 2,32000 acres of the land thus withdrawn was found not to contain phosphate In profitable quantities, while 1.573,000 acres was classl AmI properly aa phosphate lands. During thla administration there has been with drawn and classified 437.000 acres, so that today there !s classified as phosphate rock land 2,115,C00 acres. This rock la most Important In the composition of fertilizers to Improve the soil, and aa the future Is certain to create an enormous demand throughout this country for fertilization, the value to the public of such deposits an these can hardly be exaggerated. Cer talnly with respect to these deposits 1 careful policy of conservation should be followed. A law that would orovtda a leasing system for the phosphate depos its, together with a provision for the sep aration of the surface and mineral rights as is already provided for in the case of coat, would aeem to meet the need of promoting the development of these de posits and their utilization In tha agrl ruuurai lanas 01 tne west. ir it i thought desirable to discourage the expor tation of phosphate rock and the saving ot it tor our own lands, thla purpose could be accomplished by conditions in the leare granted by the government to Its lessees. Of course, under the consti tution the government could not tax and could not prohibit the exportation ot phosphate, but as proprietor and owner of the lands In which the phosphate Is deposited It could Impose conditions uaon the klnl of siles, whether foreign or do mestic, which the lessees might make of the phosphate mined. Water-Power Sites. Prior to March 4. 1909, thew had been, on the recommendation of the reclama Hon service, withdrawn from agricultural entry, because they were regarded as useful for water-power sites which ought not to be aispeseu ot as agrlcultral lands, tracts amounting to about four million acres. The withdrawals were hastily roada and Incljded a great deal of land tnac was not usetui ror power sites. They were Intended to Include tho power sites on a rivers tn nlno states. Since that time 3,475,441 aores have been re stored for settlement of Use original four million, because they do not oontaln pow er sites; and msantime there have been newly withdrawn 1.246,882 acres on vacant publlo land and 211,007 acres on entered publlo land, or a total of 1,459 S09 acres. These withdrawals made from time to time cover all the power sites Included In the nrst withdrawals, and many more, on 135 rivers and In 11 states. The dispo sition of these power sites Involves one of the most difficult questions presented in carrying out practical conservation. The statute of 1391 with Its amendments permits the secretary of the interior to gTant perpetual easements or rights of way from water sources over pumio lands for the primary purpose of Irriga tion and such electrical current as may be Incidentally developed, but no grant can be made under this statute to con cerns whoso primary purpose is gener ating and handling electricity. The stat ute of 1901 authorizes the secretary of the Interior to Issue rovocable permits over the public lands to electrical power companies, but this statute Is woefully In adequate because It dues not authorize the collection of a charge or fix a term of years. Capital Is slow to Invest In an enterprise founded on a permit revocable at will. It Is the plain duty of the government to see to It that In tho utilization and de velonment of nil this Immense amount of wntcr power, conditions shall be Im posed that will prevent monopoly ana will prevent extortionate charges, which are the accompaniment of monopoly. The difficulty of adjusting the matter Is ac centuated by the relation of the power sites to the water, the fall and flow of which croato tho power. In the states where these sites aro, the riparian own er does not control or own the power in the water which flows paat his land. That power Is under the control and with. In the grant of the state, and generally the rule Is that the first water user Is en. titled to the enjoyment Now, the pos session of the bank or water-power site over which the wator Is to be conveyed tn order to make the power useful, gives to Its owner an advantage and a certain kind of control over the use of tho watei power, nnd It la proposed that the govern ment In dealing with Its own lands should use this advantage and lease lands for power sites to those who would develop the power, nnd Impose conditions on the leasehold with referenoe to the reason ableness of the rates at which the power, when transmuted, Is to be furnished tn the public, and forbidding the union of the particular power with a combination of others made for the purpose of monop oly by forbidding assignment of the lease savo by consent of the government. Serious difficulties are anticipated by some In such an attempt on the part of the general government, because of the sovereign control of the state over the water power In Its natural condition, and the mere proprietorship of the govern ment In tho rlpnrlan lands. It Is con tended that through its mere proprietary right In the site, the central government haa no power to attempt to exercise po lice Jurisdiction with reference to how the water power In a river owned and controlled by ths state shall be used, and that It Is a violation ot the state's rights. I question the validity of this objection. The government may impose, any condi tions that It chooses In Its lens of Its own property, even, though It may have tho tamo purpose, and In effect accom plish Just what tho state would accom plish by the exercise of Its sovereignty. There are those (and tho director ot the geological survoy, Mr. Smith, who has given a great deal, of attention to this matter. Is one of them) who Insist that this matter of transmuting water power Into electricity, which can ba conveyed all over the country and across state lines, la a matter that ought to be re tained by the general government, and that It should avail itself ot the owner ship of these power sites for the very purpose of co-ordinating in one general plan the power generated from these government owned sites. Arguments Against Idea. On the other hand. It la contended that It would relieve a complicated situation If tho control of tho water-power site and the control of the water were vested In the same sovereignty and ownership, viz., tne states, ana men were aisposea of for development to private lessees un der the restrictions needed to preserve the Interests of the public trom the extor tions and abuses of monopoly. Therefore, bills havo been Introduced In congress providing that whenever tho state au thorities deem a water power usetui they may apply to the government of the United States tor a grant to the state ot tho adjacent land for a water-power site, nnd that this grant from the fed eral government to tho state shall con tain a condition that tho stato shall never part with the title to the water power slto or the water powor, but shall lease It only tor a term of years not ex ceeding ffty, with provisions In the lease by which the rental and the rates for which tho powor Is furnished to the public shall be readjusted at porlods less than tho term of tho lease, say, every ten years. The argument Is urged against this disposition ot power sites that lesls lators and state authorities are more sub ject to corporate Influence and control than would bo the central government: In reply It Is claimed that a readjustment of the terms of leasehold every ten years would secure to the publlo and the state Just and equitable terms. I do not express nn opinion upon the controversy thus made or a preference as to the two methods of treating water power sites. I shall submit the matter to congress and urge that one or the other of the two plana be adopted. I have referred to the courso ot the last administration and of the present one In making withdrawals ot government lands from entry under homestead nnd othei laws nnd of congress tn removing all doubt as to the validity of these with drawals aa a great step In the direction of practical conservation. But It la only one of two necessary steps to effect what ahould be our purpose. It has produced a status quo and prevented waste and Ir revocable disposition of the lands until the method for their proper disposition can be formulated. But It Is of tho ut most Importance that such withdrawals ahould not be regarded as the final step In the course ot conservation, and that the Idea should not be allowed to spread that conservation Is the tying up ot the natural resources of the government for Indefinite withholding from use and tha remission to remote generations to decide what ought to be done with these means ot promoting present general human com fort and progress. For, If so. It Is certain to arouse the greatest oppesttton to con servation as a cause, and If it wore a correct expression of the purpose ot con servatlonlsts It ought to arouse this op position. As I have said elsewhere, ths problem is how to save and how to util ize, how to conserve and still develop; for no sane person can contend that It Is for the common good that nature s bless lnga should be stored only for unborn generations. I beg of you, therefore, In your delib erations and tn your Informal dlocusslons, when men come forward to suggest evils that the promotion of conservation Is to remedy, that you Invito them to point oui me ipcinc cms nna tne specific remedies: that you Invite them to come down to details In order that their discus, slons may flow Into chunels that shall be useful rather than Into periods that shall be eloquent and entertalnuir. without shedding real light on the subject. The people should be shown exactly what Is needed In ordor that they muke thsur representatives In congress and the staU leguxaiurv uv iuou imvuigani DiuauiK. T DOUBLE III SPAIN rotender Who Threatens to Bat tle for tho Throne. Origin of the Present Difficulty Bi tween tho Government and tho Vatican The Carllsta Plot Revolt. Undrld. -The Carllsta of Spain, wha havo boon threatening rovolutlon la, connection with tho present controri ersy between tho government and th Vatican, take their namo from Doa Carlos, brother of King Ferdinand VII. Ferdinand about 1830 sot aalda by- royal docroo tho sallc law, which, excluded females from tho throne, la favor of his Infant daughtor, aftor-i wards Queen Isaballa. This docree. whoso constitutionality Is and probs The Spanish Pretender. bly ever will be a matter of dispute to Spanish legists, sot asldo Don Carlos, who would otherwise havsj been Indisputably heir apparent. Don, CarloB after protesting In words fori several years against bis deprivation. began In 1834 to protest In arms. A terrible civil war followed, which ended only in 1840 with tho defeat oil the Carllsts. Spain was a long tlmo, In recovering from tbo effects of th, struggle. Undor Don Carlos II., son, and successor of Don Carlos L, war, broke out again in 1873 and was not stamped out for three years. Don Jaime Is the son of Don Carlos II. and is said to bo a man of considerable) military ability. Tho revision of tho Concordat. which regulates tho relations botweeni church and state, is at the bottom ofl tho difficulty. Arrayed on one slda is the government, supported by th king, and on the other are tho Catho lic church and tho vast power andj wealth of tho religious orders. The Concordat dates back to 1851 and does not lit existing conditions. The present premier, Senor Canalejas, haB undertaken to rovlso it and at tha very outsot drew upon himself tha antagonism of tho church. Dy thai provisions of this Instrument tha church is subject to certain restric tions, which really havo never been enforced. Ono of these limits thai number of religious orders In tha kingdom to fewer than 100. Owing, however, to tho non-onforcoment of tho law, thero are nearly 4,000 order in Spain, many of them owning prop erty and enjoying exemption from taxation and possessing also other special privileges. In opening up tho question of tho revision of tho Con cordat, Senor Canalejas announced his intention of enforcing the provisions of tho law of 1851 relative to tha religious orders. Tho church, of course, Interposed its objection and made Its Intention plain that tho re vision it wanted was such as would remove tho restrictions of 1851 and In crease rather than diminish Its au thority and power. Noither sido haa seemed inclined to yiold. The Carllsts, who aro opposed to the present dynasty, are particularly. Kino Alfonso. active, and now that King Alfonso hn thrown In IiIh lot with Honor Ciinnlo Jan, tho rollgtmui imlora nru sulci to regard with fnvoi i Cmilst niovo. mont. Tho ropuliUpniiH, or radical, tiro nlnn plnnnliiK tho ostalilluhiuont of 11 rottubHo, n that KIhb AUoiiho'i Hirnno Hooma to tin nuitiiunul from twe iliUm, Till) OlU'ltnt loiultn' lu Dot) Jnluu), on or tliu UUu Don Ctiilos, mil lm Una tho niiiMtrt of tint plorgy, tho lumHiinlM mill I lm lU'Ulmn iU Don faimo wiiH Imrn In lHYrt unit In cniliui tlui DuUo of Mmlrlil In I'ouil tilrolos.